Wow, Screen Tape Costs!!!

[JBLUE]

3k is a big deal no matter what the size of your operation. Better to find it now then when your bigger and have to track down numerous 3k items wasting money.

[Mr Tees!!]

...if you were spending $3K on scotch tape to tack up films, then good on ya. This thread is about screen tape, not film attachment tape. You know that, and so does everyone else. The spin didn't work, man, quit trying to kick a dead horse already. Sheesh.

[Gilligan]

ok so I have thought about this for a while.  your tape cost is 1% if you do 300k in screen printing.  So we are all worried about 1%?  now if you do 600k well you see where this is going. 

now I do not know how much he does in sales volume for screening but 300k is not that much for the staff he has. 

thoughts?

again it is only 1%.  so really it isn't that big of deal right?

And scotch tape is 1% of that 1% for the same bottom line.  I do see where you are going.

[ebscreen]

Assuming five inches of scotch tape per screen (1.25" per film corner) I came up with $0.02 per screen for the good stuff bought
by the single dispenser/roll.

At 100 screens per week that's $2 a week, $104 a year.

[Inkworks]

Our screen guy re-uses scotch tape for taping film on screens, get 3-5 uses out of each tab, seriously. it's faster than grabbing a new piece each time and folding over an end. that and he often uses only two tabs per film, so maybe 3" per screen, divided by re-use of 3, = 1"/screen. or $20.80/year at 100 screens a week.

[Gilligan]

"You know how many crumb cakes I can get with that... you know how many chocolate milks?!"  - DBAMTSCWDYJITH

[TCT]

Our screen guy re-uses scotch tape for taping film on screens, get 3-5 uses out of each tab, seriously. it's faster than grabbing a new piece each time and folding over an end.

Not trying to add to the fire (side from the occasional sarcastic comment) but it if also extremely common for us to do this, reuse the tape that is.

[Frog]

Without a dip tank, my screen tape says on for the next job, and the next job, and sometimes the next job, etc.

[Socalfmf]

Tees  this thread is about money..plain and simple money.  while it was not important during my ROI on a machine now all of a sudden it is important.  but then again at 1% of your sales is it really important?  hell yeah it is.  every penny is important and with todays customers and financial situation it is even more important.  that is my point.  every penny counts.

sam

[inkman996]

Why are people confusing scotch tape cost for films and tape for screens? Sam no where in this thread did someone make scotch tape an importance and no where did someone say scotch tape is 1% of their sales. They are talking about screen tape.

[IntegrityShirts]

Ink, he's making the point of calculating costs for when he switched to a DTS machine to eliminate film, ink, and scotch tape. People bitched that he went as far as to calculate the cost of scotch tape into his ROI on the DTS machine. It's the ongoing battle between Alan and socal about roi on a dts machine.

No direct correlation to screen tape costs, just socal ribbing Alan and vice versa.

Every penny counts. 'Time' is a lot of pennies an hour.

[Gilligan]

I personally didn't b!tch that he went that far.  I only suggested that he not hold back on the numbers that he said he was going to present because he was still finding .01% savings.  Not 1% but 1% or 1%.  So does every penny count?  Yes, but we are actually talking about fractions of said penny.

[mk162]

yeah, and the time to apply the tape, that costs more than the tape itself...when our press stops for a minute, it costs me between $3-5 on average...for a single minute.  So when it takes me about 30 seconds to apply the tape to a screen, that adds up....that person could be spending that time digging out wedgies, picking their nose, texting, eating, smoking, taking a long bathroom break and so on.

Speaking of screen tape, we went to clear tape because it's faster to remove.  We have less tears and tiny pieces to pick off, so an untaper can do more screens an hour...so a little more upfront costs less in the long run.

[alan802]

Tees  this thread is about money..plain and simple money.  while it was not important during my ROI on a machine now all of a sudden it is important.  but then again at 1% of your sales is it really important?  hell yeah it is.  every penny is important and with todays customers and financial situation it is even more important.  that is my point.  every penny counts.

sam

I'll say that in my opinion, over the course of an entire year 5,000 pennies doesn't count, but 300,000 does.  Our screen tape costs are well over 1% of our CONSUMABLE COSTS and I'm not giving one damn about our yearly sales.  Scotch tape for film costs us $50/yr and screen tape costs us $3K/yr.  That's a difference of 2,950 isn't it?  If you choose to put $60 into your DTS ROI then I don't have a problem with it, I'm saying it's so miniscule that it wouldn't make a difference if it were there or not, it doesn't change the numbers enough to give a damn about.  I'm not saying that $3K is this ridiculous number that we can't handle but if I drop our scotch tape usage by 50% it won't be felt in the bottom line.  If I drop our screen tape usage by 50% it's the difference in giving the guys a $500 bonus at the end of the year or not.  This has nothing to do with our annual sales, if we did 2 million a year our tape usage would still be the same percentages of consumable costs and be relatively the same problem and our scotch tape usage would still be so small that it wouldn't matter.

I don't know why you can't seem to grasp the difference in $50/yr versus $3K/yr but I'll try one more time.  $2, 950 is the difference...has nothing to do with annual sales or how big my staff is.  I'd bet money that Sam's production staff is at least the same as ours if not bigger but than again Sam operates a screen printing eutopia where people and machines accomplish numbers that aren't possible at other shops.  It happens and maybe I'm just too cynical, or maybe I'm not.

And about the DTS ROI, it all boils down to this:  I've got questions on how a shop Sam's size can get an ROI on a $50K machine and the responses I got never came close to answering them so I have to assume a lot of things.  I assume this, I assume that, and when I've assumed so many different scenarios I come to the conclusion that it's not likely that anyone else in a remotely similar circumstance would get anything close to that ROI.  It could be just another example of how one shop is capable of feats that others can't duplicate or perhaps it's something completely different, we may never know.

[tancehughes]

From what the sales reps and other people have told me, I'd need to be running 50 screens/day at a minimum for the DTS to begin to make sense. I've run the numbers for myself as well, and we're going to have to be processing a lot more work before we can buy a 50K DTS. Now, if the cost could be cut in about half we'd be looking at buying one tomorrow!