Kruzer?

[Frog]

Does anyone have a link to a site that lists the available m&r platens and accessories.  All of the distributors I am finding through their site or through google don't actually list anything.

m&rprint.com/store/accesories/pallets

[mimosatexas]

the Kruzer is TriLoc compatible! A preregistration system is probably one of the best investments you can make in your shop.

pierre

I have my own diy pre-reg unit/system.  I have an "L" of 1/4" metal adhered to the glass on my exposure unit.  I use small "+" marks on my films that act as both on press registration (if needed) and I register the films to themselves with tape on alternating sides between screens.  Basically I measure and tape down the first film.  Put the screen against the L, expose, take the screen off, line up the next film and tape.  Usually I can get the majority of the screens pixel perfect on press by printing the first color, flashing, and lining successive screens up to the marks.  I keep my micros zeroed and the screens are essentially already registered.  Out of a 6 color job I may have to nudge 2 or 3 of the screens, but on the Silver Press even two screens out of register can take a while due to the weird micros (4 lock downs, iffy side to side movement).  Having an equivalent "L" on press would speed it up a bit, but the real slow down is from the bad micros.

I was under the impression the tri-loc really won't be a huge improvement over a DIY system unless you have air locs that completely eliminate play when locking the screen.

[mimosatexas]

Thanks Frog!  Found their store after poking around a bit more.  They need to make the link more prominent...

https://store.mrprint.com/mr_pls/oos_catalog_pkg.shop?pid=Aluminum-Pallets

Another couple of questions: 

Looking at the pallets, how exactly are they connected to the arms of the press?  It looks like they just have a channel, and the locking mechanism is on the press.  I have seen videos with quick release connections on some of the newer autos, but what system does the kruzer use?  Is it upgradable to some form of quick release?  I find I change pallets often for different types of jobs. kids vs koozies vs sleeves vs oversized prints etc.

Another question I had is a little hard to articulate.  On my current press, the bracket on the bottom of the pallets is locked into place by a central bolt on the side and on the bottom.  The pallet arm is only long enough that the pallet can be adjusted in or out about 6 inches before either the pallet is under the clamp (messing with things like off contact, putting pressure on the garment, etc) or is too far out to tighten the bolt.  This isn't a big deal for more jobs with central placement, but it has been an issue at times when wanting to center and image on the screen for registration reasons while printing on odd locations.  I often wish the arm itself was 6-8" longer.  How much adjustment is there when it comes to the location of the pallet on the arm?  If this issue isn't clear, let me know and I will try to explain it better (maybe even with diagrams!).

[tonypep]

One of the goals of M&R from the beginning was to use as many interchangeable parts as possible. While that proved harder than it looked as models and configurations changed continually, the pallets have always beeen interchangeable on all models from Blue Maxes to Formulas to Alpha 8s etc. In the beginning one used 9/16" wrenches to add/remove pallets but that was soon replaced with quick release.
This to the BOMK

[mimosatexas]

So the quick release is the default?  awesome.

[StuJohnston]

I am not certain about this as I haven't tried it out yet, but I believe the M&R standardization goes all the way back to the American brand machines. At least it does for squeegee holders, floodbars and clamps. So if you could use the American platens, that would open up more opportunities for used equipment.

Regarding side clamps, being able to use M3 style frames is a plus for me, pretty sure this is at least difficult to do if not impossible with a rear clamp press.

Looks like a nice press, if I were looking for a small manual, I would probably get this instead of looking for a used press. What's the lead time? Are they ready to ship?

[mimosatexas]

Good question on lead time.  Definitely curious about that.  The m3's are all round correct?  This would be a great feature to allow upgrading to re-tensionable frames in anticipation of a future auto.

[244]

the Kruzer is TriLoc compatible! A preregistration system is probably one of the best investments you can make in your shop.

pierre

I have my own diy pre-reg unit/system.  I have an "L" of 1/4" metal adhered to the glass on my exposure unit.  I use small "+" marks on my films that act as both on press registration (if needed) and I register the films to themselves with tape on alternating sides between screens.  Basically I measure and tape down the first film.  Put the screen against the L, expose, take the screen off, line up the next film and tape.  Usually I can get the majority of the screens pixel perfect on press by printing the first color, flashing, and lining successive screens up to the marks.  I keep my micros zeroed and the screens are essentially already registered.  Out of a 6 color job I may have to nudge 2 or 3 of the screens, but on the Silver Press even two screens out of register can take a while due to the weird micros (4 lock downs, iffy side to side movement).  Having an equivalent "L" on press would speed it up a bit, but the real slow down is from the bad micros.

I was under the impression the tri-loc really won't be a huge improvement over a DIY system unless you have air locks that completely eliminate play when locking the screen.

You are incorrect. The Tri-Loc will work fine on the Kruzer and we are setting up 6 colors of butt to butt register, zero trap in under two minutes. We are not microing the job as it is coming out perfect but IF we had to it would only take a couple seconds. This press is about a million miles from the press you quote so I now see why all the questions. Its way better and 100% guaranteed too so just order and return if you don't like it. You wont be returning it for sure!

[mimosatexas]

Haha! I have no doubt it is worlds better than the silver press.  I was parroting something I had read about tri-loc in another thread here, relating to manual side clamps and movement on lockdown.

As a rep for m&r, is there any reason to order from the local distributor listed on your site vs directly from you?  They don't have the kruzer listed on their site?

[244]

Haha! I have no doubt it is worlds better than the silver press.  I was parroting something I had read about tri-loc in another thread here, relating to manual side clamps and movement on lockdown.

As a rep for m&r, is there any reason to order from the local distributor listed on your site vs directly from you?  They don't have the kruzer listed on their site?

The Kruzer is so new the distributors just saw it for the first time last week. Pricing will be the same regardless of where you order it. Our distributors have already locked up the first 100 units so delivery might be faster from them.

[Socalfmf]

I just saw this press yesterday!  wow is all I can say...I think it will sweep the market.  it has a lot of features for being so inexpensive.  on another note if it is an M&R it is tri-locable ( if that is a word)  but it is sweet especially since it will ship UPS and cost under 3k.  really? 

[Prosperi-Tees]

Yeah I dont see why anyone shopping for a 6/4 would buy anything else. Nothing touches it in that price range.

[dirkdiggler]

I checked it out at SGIA, its super nice, for that price, look no further.

[GKitson]

This to the BOMK


Tony, This looks like a stock market ID to me but I feel sure that BOMK stands for something else, can you enlighten an old rag printer?

~Kitson

[tonypep]

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