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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2013, 04:14:27 PM »
Will have to give the halftone base a try too. I really liked what xenbase did as well, but we couldn't get enough information from them as to what's actually in it, so until that full documentation is available for our customers, we tried somthing else.II've also heard Rutland chino base was awesome but havent got the chance to try it yet.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2013, 03:56:56 PM »
We are not the fastest printers here for sure.  We run 30-50dz, most often 1 operator (loading and unloading).  Machine will run over 70dz a hour.  Ours is just a 8/10 though, not a 10/12.

Been mulling this one over. You can hit 50doz. an hour, sustained for more than a couple of minutes with 1 guy? I thought I was doing pretty good, but that's awesome production. I don't think I could do much over 30doz/hour single handedly loading and unloading, and even then everything has to be just right. Any tips to getting up to those speeds with 1 guy?
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2013, 04:31:43 PM »
Are you guys doing REAL numbers or is that what the machine says?

My guy played on an Diamond Back C at the show this past week and it was set to 78 dz/hour but they put a 7 second delay/dwell since he had never ran an auto before.  I timed it and he was running a shirt every 8 seconds.  That's about 37 dz/hour and he was only loading :)

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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2013, 04:37:24 PM »
We are not the fastest printers here for sure.  We run 30-50dz, most often 1 operator (loading and unloading).  Machine will run over 70dz a hour.  Ours is just a 8/10 though, not a 10/12.

Been mulling this one over. You can hit 50doz. an hour, sustained for more than a couple of minutes with 1 guy? I thought I was doing pretty good, but that's awesome production. I don't think I could do much over 30doz/hour single handedly loading and unloading, and even then everything has to be just right. Any tips to getting up to those speeds with 1 guy?

Best we can do is 40-42dz 1 guy.  That's on a diamondback though.  So I could see how doing it on a sportsman might yield a bit more speed but 50dz/hr with 1 person seems pretty insane for a sustained time.

Sometimes we do run ours at 53dz/hr which is the highest speed possible.  It equates to almost no dwell time for the squeegee to move...since it dry cycles at that speed haha.  I wish we had a faster press...

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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2013, 05:34:51 PM »
I personally can run 40 dz/ hour by myself loading and unloading on my diamondback, but we are always running two people so that the person unloading can be constantly eyeing pinholes, trash, holes in shirts, etc (quality control).

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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2013, 06:02:55 PM »
I always count while we are printing because I've never trusted the production counters on autos.  Our old centurian was not accurate at all.  Loading and unloading by myself I can do about 7-8 shirts/min, right now without having much time on the auto in the last few years, that equates to 35-40dz/hr.  With a loader and unloader we can do 17 shirts/min. I'm not saying 50dz/hr is impossible with one person, especially on a fast indexing machine like an MHM or CH3, but I'd sure like to see it done on my press.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2013, 07:18:21 PM »
I got to see someone do more than 50 dozen an hour 1 operator.  I can load as good as ANYBODY, and at that rate you cant possibly be watching quality!  And doing this consistently, not just trying to see how fast you can do it.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2013, 07:40:45 PM »
My personal record was 48dz./hr but that was not sustained for a long period of time, maybe 25min. If I am on the anatol, I am comfortable right around 38-40dz./hr.

Kinda what Alan touched on, with the way the MHM and S.Roque machines index(servo AND they flood the screen while the press indexes) they seem to run faster. I have never taken the time to make sure the numbers add up exactly to what the counter says we are doing, but an educated guess would say it is pretty darn close. The fastest we ran our anatol was like 72dz./hr or something like that on a left crest print. I seem to remember that was as fast as that press went I think. But it is real odd because we will run the S.Roque much faster(unless my math is bad, the S.Roque counts in pcs./hr not Dz./hr.) than that and not struggle. I could totally be off, any MHM users experience anything similar?
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2013, 07:58:12 PM »
We've run sleeves and bags at 1000 hr, both by the presses count and ours.

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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2013, 08:06:01 PM »
Should qualify that was with 2 people. Personal best is about ~350/hr, short bursts of
500 or so.

Remember that index speed will play a huge part in overall pcs/hr.
Inks of similar viscosity will get printed at similar speeds on different presses (maybe slightly faster with servo heads)
given all other variables are equal. So the press that indexes faster = more pieces/hr.

Both our presses max out at 1200/hr. Not bad for ten year old machines, and making it effing
difficult to upgrade. Everything I look at seems like a step backwards.

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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2013, 09:53:20 PM »
eb- I'm sure it is in another post,  and off the top of my head I can't remember, do you have 3000's?
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2013, 01:32:49 AM »
  I timed it and he was running a shirt every 8 seconds.

I think we push the Sportsman to about one every 3.5 to 4 seconds. It FEELS like 80+ doz and hour. This is typical 1-2 color stuff with decent screens (which we have very few of) where I can max out the stroke speed.

Note the final production rate is always less. This is just press speed. Having to stop for lint balls, etc really eats into that overall speed.

We us ink traps on the bigger runs so inking up is not very frequent. Dump in a bunch of spun up ink and go.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2013, 01:34:48 AM »
Oh and alone I do about 38-40 dz/hr comfortably. 50 is dumb if you want any QC.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2013, 02:11:44 AM »
Solo, I run at a steady 27-28/doz per hour.  Its not fast, but I keep up quality and can maintain that pace all day long.  This is on a Diamondback S 7/8.
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Re: Sportsman EX 10/12
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2013, 07:06:38 AM »
We are not the fastest printers here for sure.  We run 30-50dz, most often 1 operator (loading and unloading).  Machine will run over 70dz a hour.  Ours is just a 8/10 though, not a 10/12.

Been mulling this one over. You can hit 50doz. an hour, sustained for more than a couple of minutes with 1 guy? I thought I was doing pretty good, but that's awesome production. I don't think I could do much over 30doz/hour single handedly loading and unloading, and even then everything has to be just right. Any tips to getting up to those speeds with 1 guy?

That's not exactly what I said.  I said we run 30-50dz, most often 1 operator.  Someone asked how fast people were printing on it, I gave that range, then noted most often we are running just 1 operator, which would be generally 30-40dz.  We run faster when we have 2 operators of course which would be more like 50dz.  I think we have printed as high as 58dz a hour.  We've never had desire to run faster than that. 
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