Author Topic: dye migration base  (Read 2607 times)

Offline noortrd

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 323
dye migration base
« on: September 23, 2013, 11:05:07 AM »
Is ther any dye migration base for plastisol specially for red fabrics.  Low bleed white not working for red dyeing fabrics.


Offline mimosatexas

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4221
  • contributor
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 12:06:15 PM »
There are low bleed additives you can put in plastisol, or you can buy a good low bleed white (we use Excalibur).  Are you curing the ink above 300 degrees? That can cause issues with migration.

Offline kirkage

  • Verified/Junior
  • **
  • Posts: 82
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 03:54:19 PM »
rutland dyno gray first and then the rest of your design

Offline GaryG

  • !!!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 750
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 05:00:04 PM »
Also:
10545PFX Epicâ„¢ Performance Underbase Gray
http://www.polyone.com/en-us/about/businessgroups/Inks/Literature/PIB_Wilflex%20Epic%20Performance%20Underbase%20Gray.pdf
Also:
Hit/Flash/Hit Low Bleed Whites

Any of these will work to industry standards.

Offline Inkworks

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1761
  • Pad&Screenprinter
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 09:55:16 PM »
QCM has a good underbase bleed block grey now too, and it's printable right out of the bucket unlike the Wilflex grey, which works great, but need cutting to even approach printability.
Wishin' I was Fishin'

Offline Printficient

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1222
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 08:10:08 AM »
Xenon has a white designed for that.  Called Mu5tang
Shop-Doc "I make house calls"
Procedure Video Training
Press Inspections
Tips and Tricks Training
404-895-1796 Sonny McDonald

Offline Rob Coleman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 359
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 09:41:11 AM »
You are ALWAYS best to use a gray underbase product for maximum bleed resistance.  I have never seen a Polyester White that will ALWAYS work across ALL garments and dye colors.  There is a reason they are called "low" bleed and not "non" bleed! 

For the worst 100% polys, best practice is a grey underbase, white BR on top.

Wilflex has a new UB gray product called Bleed Blocker Gray on the market.  Priced competitively, printable, and works very well.  It cures at 305F versus the 290F cure for the Wilflex Performance UB Gray that is the premium BR blocker.  But unless ALL your overprint colors are made in a Low Cure base (performance, top score, etc), then the 305 cure is totally sufficient.

Had trouble uploading the Tech Sheet, but here is a link to my dropbox if anyone is interested.

     https://www.dropbox.com/s/8fmdvy849z47wd7/14645PFXBBG%20Epic%20Bleed%20Blocker%20Gray.pdf

We are in process of bringing some of this new product in inventory.
Rob Coleman | Vice President
Textile Business Unit | Nazdar SourceOne | sourceone.nazdar.com
(800) 677-4657 ext. 3708 | Cell (678) 230-4463
rcoleman@nazdar.com

Offline Gilligan

  • !!!
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 6853
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 09:56:35 AM »
Xenon has a white designed for that.  Called Mu5tang

I think it's safe to drop this filter by now... I think someone else has dropped him too.  Hate to see it holding back a real product, even if it is Sunny's ;)

Offline Printficient

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1222
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 10:02:06 AM »
Xenon has a white designed for that.  Called Mu5tang

I think it's safe to drop this filter by now... I think someone else has dropped him too.  Hate to see it holding back a real product, even if it is Sunny's ;)
And I thank thee.  The cure temp on the mustang is 258 degrees.  If you adjust your dryer to get that temp at the end of the heat chamber then you should be ok on all but the cheapest dyed shirts.
Shop-Doc "I make house calls"
Procedure Video Training
Press Inspections
Tips and Tricks Training
404-895-1796 Sonny McDonald

Offline Gilligan

  • !!!
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 6853
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 10:15:15 AM »
That IS pretty impressive Sunny.

Offline noortrd

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 323
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 12:47:33 PM »
Anybody know whats the chemistry of this base?

Offline Printficient

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1222
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 01:36:50 PM »
Anybody know whats the chemistry of this base?
what base?
Shop-Doc "I make house calls"
Procedure Video Training
Press Inspections
Tips and Tricks Training
404-895-1796 Sonny McDonald

Offline noortrd

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 323
Re: dye migration base
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 10:13:17 AM »
Dye migration base.