Man....

[tpitman]

Even though there's two sides to every story, I have to say my sympathies lie with Inkman inasmuch as he isn't the owner, but I get the impression that the press was purchased based on his analysis and expertise as a pressman. It's never pleasant facing your boss after he's put up the money for something based on your good-faith recommendation, only to find out that the other party doesn't hold up his end of the bargain or baffled you with bullsh_t.

[inkman996]

Iconsider my self reasonable to a degree. Lately there has been some users saying I should shut up and let them in our building. The thing is most people do not even know nearly as much as they think they do. There has been a lot of BS back and forth privately between me and my business and Robert. He went on a campaign to get my fired and even threatened my boss with legal actions. Some of the crap he told my boss was amazing and all it actually did was piss him off even more because we are close and he respects me and does not have any reason to respect Robert. To the users that tell me I should shut up and let them in here is the deal we gave Robert several options well before we decided to get rid of the press to man up and provide some of the things we wanted he always replied with GFY's. Now according to Preston Poland is staying quiet because there lawyers have told them to. What P does not know is we already have been in contact with our lawyer and was told our case is extremely strong especially since I made public statements asking that Robert be removed from our support but not Poland. Trust me we absolutely in no way do not want to go down any legal road it is stressful and cost money our desire is to make it all go away quietly and I offered Poland that.

Ted is a great guy and I wish him the absolute best, he is a new printer especially to autos I really hope he does not get a PITA machine that is simply to much for him to handle. More importantly it is my opinion that Poland put his press production to the side to build higher paying obs such as Rock Chic's. That has to be the most horrible customer care I ever heard of. And now the guy has to wait till freaking September. Nothing personal Ted but damn I hope you know what you got your self into.

Here is a funny tid bit. Way Way back just before I was about to finally post my Printex review as promised, Robert banged my phone to death trying to get a hold of me before I did it. Obviously he wanted to gag me  in some way imagine that.

[inkman996]

Even though there's two sides to every story, I have to say my sympathies lie with Inkman inasmuch as he isn't the owner, but I get the impression that the press was purchased based on his analysis and expertise as a pressman. It's never pleasant facing your boss after he's put up the money for something based on your good-faith recommendation, only to find out that the other party doesn't hold up his end of the bargain or baffled you with bullsh_t.

You are correct I had to take full responsibility for this. I even went so far as to shield my boss from Roberts known behavior other wise the deal never ever would have happened. But my boss is sympathetic and is backing me in the fullest.

Also like I said before no one here really knows the full story, i prefer to keep private communications private but a lot has happened behind the scenes as well.

[GraphicDisorder]

Ted will be ok, he seems to have a lot of money.  So things for him will shake out one way or another. 

I don't worry about guys like Ted.  I worry about smaller shops and people that can't afford to make that mistake.  Those are the ones that will be the most hurt.  But again this is all less about Printex than it has been about the actions of the pest.

[3Deep]

@ Inkman, If I was selling a product and someone posted a bunch of negativity about it true or unture I would delete it to.  I bet if you post negativity stuff on M&R forum about there equipment they would delete it to, thats just the biz, and I,m beting you would do the same if someone posted about your company and again true or untrue.  I,m not saying you did anything wrong, its your right to express your feelings, but most people or companies perfer it to be to them over the phone.  Right now i got beef with someone but I,m not going to post it for all to see because what I feel may not be the feeling of someone else thats all I,m saying.  Lets say this you guys print a job and for what ever reason the customer does not like it and they blast you on the net for all to see, and if you had the power to delete it you would or explain what happen, but the trash post is still there?

Darryl
Ps I don't own a printex, but sorry it didn't work out for you cuz I knew you where pretty excited about getting it

[Socalfmf]

You know what I don't understand...that is how Barnes was excited to get a press to INKMAN to get people to shut up and now that INKMAN has had a bad experience Barnes wants nothing to do with him and will not refund his money...but Barnes has said publicly that he would take it back...well as he says put up or shut up

Sam

[inkman996]

Darryl  it is called fighting fire with fire. Robert thrives on discrediting people on the forums and I chose to do the same. And asi said before he was refusing many requests privately well before it blew up online.

Also Darryl  if I did print a job wrong I would be a man and take it on the chin and let the chips fall where they may. I believe through proper follow up and remedies me and the said unhappy customer would come to an arrangement and said negative post would disappear, not because I put a gag on it but because we earned its removal with merit. That does not happen in Robert's world.

[3Deep]

Good answer Inkman and I can understand your point, but hey we all know Rob is a strange bird...flying upside down is impossble but he does LOL

Darryl

[inkman996]

flying upside down is impossble but he does

I love that one!

[tonypep]

Welllll.........either way he would need to lose a lot of ballast.

[244]

Lots of good comments but I would like to clarify something. If there is something posted on the M&R forum that is negative and truthful it will not be taken down. It will be addressed publicly as well as privately to make sure the issue is handled. There are no secrets in this industry. Screw someone and eventually it will come out. In my visit to Inkman's shop I would have to say they were misled and used. What Mike has posted is accurate and he has held back posting a lot of even more damaging issues. The fact that Preston posted Printex's lawyers told them not to respond is an outright lie. No and I repeat no lawyer would tell them not to respond to his request. That alone is enough to go into a US court of law and get a judgement against them. As a manufacturer myself this has to be the worst I have ever seen anything handled between a manufacturer and customer. Barnes is wrong but so is Printex in many,many ways. It is clear this arrangement will not stand the test of time and my guess is it won't make it to the end of the year.

[tonypep]

Rich what what happened over at DS? Seems like there was some diareha of deleting.

[GraphicDisorder]

Rich what what happened over at DS? Seems like there was some diareha of deleting.

It's called a douchin'

[Northland]

I have no legal training... but my suggestion to Inkman would be to turn up the heat via a "breach of contract" suit.
There are several classes of "breach".... I believe the fact that the press will not print the specified / advertized length would qualify as "material breach".

The press has been delivered, that part of the contact is finalized.
But if it doesn't meet the specifications...
Is that a "material" breach of the contract

[mk162]

Can somebody please save all of those fun posts over there before they get deleted.  I always miss out on the good stuff.

This is when it comes in handy to know some techs, get their opinion of the equipment out there and get a feel for how well it will do for you.