Pierre aka Blue Moon's press experience?

[bimmridder]

Pierre, we need to do "Printer Swap". I'll come visit you and your press, then you come visit me and mine. 

[Sbrem]

We've been running our Synchro "S" Type 10/12 for about 8 or 9 years without re-leveling. It's pretty cool actually. Our old gauntlet is a pain when that needs to be done, about once a year, but it's well worth it. My problem with new players in the field like the S-Roque is whether the service commitment is there, though I thought I read that they've been around for a while, just not in the US. But to reiterate, MHM makes a truly great machine.

Steve

[blue moon]

Pierre, we need to do "Printer Swap". I'll come visit you and your press, then you come visit me and mine.

I have been seriously thinking about that since our last conversation. I also have to admit to being scared of seeing the CHIIID in action. It might seriously interfere with my admiration for the MHM!

pierre

[T Shirt Farmer]

Question for Steve, Pierre and Sean and any other MHM owners...

How many times have you had to have repair made by a MHM Technical outside of self inflicted wounds (Accidents) .. bet most can easily be completed your self when needed.

These MHM machines are incredibly well designed, engineered and built, the FPU, pinned screens, pallet change over, squeegee angel adjustment, adjust registration on the fly are amazingly cool. lets say you are setting up a 8 color job and want to flip screen 3 and 5 with the pin system you just move it and it is almost in registration. I can go on but you all have heard this before. I owned Tas before MHM and have never owned a M&R press but I can assure you there is no perfect machine, by the way in 20 years running TAS I was down 4 hours 1 time, re registering was never needed and truly zero pallet- pallet arm flex..  the MHM technician Rodney is amazingly cool, attentive, available and knows these machines like the back of his hand. The biggest issue i have with this machine is that you can not print  youth and skinny girl fit long sleeves the pallet arm is to big.

With all that said when I am ready to buy another press you bet I will take a strong look at M&R as well.

Robert

[alan802]

I've always admired MHM.  I've said this before but the first auto that I'd seen besides an American Centurian was and MHM E-type at the Ft Worth ISS show back in 05 or 06 and I was amazed.  It was at that moment I knew we had to get rid of the Centurian and get some new technology in the shop if we wanted to sustain the growth I was expecting.  I'd really love to see an X-type or Xtreme but I'm sort of confused as to what models they are going to have going forward.  The S-type is a sweet machine that I would love to have and aside from a new CH 3, it would be my choice of press if I had a spare 120K laying around.  I think it compares well to the CH 3 but when it comes to an investment of that size there are few other things to consider but it sounds like MHM is committed to competing with big blue.  But unfortunately there is another company I'm not particularly fond of at the moment in Hirsch that complicates things for me.  That's another thread alltogether.

I wish there were some MHM's here in town that I could check out but I'm not aware of a single one within 100 miles.

[TCT]

I know this is off the MHM subject, but here again, someone saying a certain press never needs pallet leveling, but is that true in the real world? would be cool if it is true, but is it. sRoque Screen Printing Press FAQ - Lock and Roq Garment Platen System

We have a S.Roque and it is solid as a rock. We have only been running it for 8 months, but at last check everything was still nuts on. Scary almost, considering we were used to anatol.... We have a ECO not the YOU that is usually pushed. But the machines are so beefy I would believe leveling would not be a issue. Again, we have only had the press running 8 months so I can't attest to years of use and leveling. 

Pallet change over is incredible, 12 pallets, 2 guys, just under 3min. We have to swap pallets probably average about 1 every week and a half for different jobs.

Alan- I believe MHM is replacing the S-Type with the X-Type or the X-Treme. That was at least my understanding when I was talking with MHM when we were press shopping. I have heard from a TON of people they didn't want to deal with Hirsch, SPSI more sells MHM's.

[Sbrem]

Question for Steve, Pierre and Sean and any other MHM owners...

How many times have you had to have repair made by a MHM Technical outside of self inflicted wounds (Accidents) .. bet most can easily be completed your self when needed.

These MHM machines are incredibly well designed, engineered and built, the FPU, pinned screens, pallet change over, squeegee angel adjustment, adjust registration on the fly are amazingly cool. lets say you are setting up a 8 color job and want to flip screen 3 and 5 with the pin system you just move it and it is almost in registration. I can go on but you all have heard this before. I owned Tas before MHM and have never owned a M&R press but I can assure you there is no perfect machine, by the way in 20 years running TAS I was down 4 hours 1 time, re registering was never needed and truly zero pallet- pallet arm flex..  the MHM technician Rodney is amazingly cool, attentive, available and knows these machines like the back of his hand. The biggest issue i have with this machine is that you can not print  youth and skinny girl fit long sleeves the pallet arm is to big.

With all that said when I am ready to buy another press you bet I will take a strong look at M&R as well.

Robert

we've made any repairs ourselves. The more difficult were done over the phone. And I made a mistake, our press is not 8 -9 years old, it's 12! Damn, it's going by so fast...

Steve

[alan802]

Steve, how many impressions on that S-type?  12 years old and still runs great is a great testament to the reliability and durability.  Are there any pics of your S-type anywhere Steve?  I was wondering how it looked compared to the current S-types.

[dirkdiggler]

I've moved our two S-Types three times each, and I am constantly amazed that when it's re-assemble time,
we're almost always dead on parallel. Don't ask me how it works, I don't know, it just does.

There's two points for the screen hangers, two bolts each end of the screen, but stacked horizontally
if that makes sense. The pallets have little riser bars under them if you need to raise one side front or
back.

We do re-level once a year or so. And the floating squeegee chingadero makes it tougher then on basically
any other press. You can't float a floodbar over the pallet to see where you're at.

We use a metal frame welded with the MHM pins and 4 dial indicators towards the corners. 4 bar clamps on the corners
of the holders to the head extrusions make for precise adjustment and holding position while tightening
the hangers. Clear as mud?

(CHINGADERO)?  Thought we were the only shop that used those

[Sbrem]

Steve, how many impressions on that S-type?  12 years old and still runs great is a great testament to the reliability and durability.  Are there any pics of your S-type anywhere Steve?  I was wondering how it looked compared to the current S-types.

[TCT]

WOW! 12 years!? You kept that beauty SUPER clean!!!!!

I have to admit, the moveable control panel/board is a super nice feature you don't realize until it is gone!

[screenprintguy]

The new models have full machine control at each head now right? I think so. That's an awesome feature, I know I hate being on the opposite side of my machine, and then realize I need a function, then have to run around, grab the panel. It's a good idea for me or whoever is running our DB to always bring the control panel with you, but honestly, that's a pain in the ass, especially on a rushed type of day and you are getting worn out. I'd love the ability to control most of the press at a print head, personal feature I think well worth it.

[Sbrem]

It gets fairly ratty sometimes, then we clean it. This is from last year after said cleaning... And yes, having full control at each head is a great improvement, I'd love to see a new one up close and personal... but it's still a great machine, even though getting long in tooth.


Steve

[alan802]

Having control of the press at the print heads is something I'll never go without.  Even though I don't print much anymore, my guys won't go without it.  There is absolutely nothing that we have ever had to go back to the main control panel for except to start or restart the actual production run.  We can stop production from any print head but not restart and you'd never need to do that from a print head because you need to be at the control panel to run a job 99.9% of the time.  There aren't many deal breakers for a new press except print head controls, just like a lot of guys with CTS wouldn't live without it, we couldn't live without plenty of features at the print head.

The new MHM models look to be the S-type Xtreme, X-type Plus and the 4000.  I guess they've had some changes because I thought a little while back they were going to have an Xtreme and an X-type.

[TCT]

You guys are right, the controls on the print heads are the bees knees. I would roll with those over a rotating head any day. I find myself at times going from printing on the S.Roque(print head control) back to tweak something or help with setup on the anatol I find myself at the end of the print head wanting the machine to index!
Before we had the S.Roque all I really knew was the moving control, went to help out a friend at another shop and they had a base model of another press and the head was solid in the load/unload position. It really does sound weird to hear guys Bit*h about walking around the press for this or that. But that time can add up!