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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2013, 04:24:19 PM »
That does seem odd.  The M&R blue max here isn't built near as heavy, but has several decades of use and still registers extremely well.




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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2013, 04:00:26 PM »
Jealous!  I've been wanting one of these for a little while now....

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2013, 06:40:39 PM »
Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago.  And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.

Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto.  I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run.  It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.
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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 07:21:25 PM »
A heavy swinging arm is usually the culprit for mis-reg on manuals.

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 10:36:10 AM »
Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago.  And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.

Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto.  I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run.  It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.

We've missed out on a couple great presses recently due to buying other toys just before they magically appear on craigslist and the like.  An 8/8 Antec Legend was just for sale in Houston for $3500 that I was this close to snapping up, but we ended up getting a few other more needed things locally instead.  I'll certainly let you know when we are 100% ready to upgrade our press.  Shoot me a pm if you come across a 6/6+ sidewinder/chameleon, vastex 2000, or antec for around that $3500 price point.  I check searchtempest, craigslist (using boolean search strings), and all the major board classifieds basically every day, but I don't really talk to a lot of other shops directly who might be ready to offload something but not advertising it.

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2013, 12:13:19 PM »
Jameson, you missed out on a Vastex V2000HD we had for sale a month ago.  And when you're ready for an upgrade let me know and I can help you find one.

Things will get into registration but nowhere near as fast as the auto.  I haven't done a ton of work on the manual, couple hundred jobs but only a few dozen of them have been multi-colored work and I can't remember ever setting one up on any of the 3 manuals we've had that a screen didn't need a tweek somewhere in the print run.  It's almost always in the first dozen or so shirts of a run and our manuals have never been as tightly calibrated as the auto so that might have something to do with it, plus spinning and stopping two different carousels something can shift ever so slightly and it's noticeable.

We've missed out on a couple great presses recently due to buying other toys just before they magically appear on craigslist and the like.  An 8/8 Antec Legend was just for sale in Houston for $3500 that I was this close to snapping up, but we ended up getting a few other more needed things locally instead.  I'll certainly let you know when we are 100% ready to upgrade our press.  Shoot me a pm if you come across a 6/6+ sidewinder/chameleon, vastex 2000, or antec for around that $3500 price point.  I check searchtempest, craigslist (using boolean search strings), and all the major board classifieds basically every day, but I don't really talk to a lot of other shops directly who might be ready to offload something but not advertising it.
There is a new 6 color 4 station manual with Micro and aluminum pallets being introduced in 6 weeks that will sell for $2,995 new. Will first be seen by the public in Orlando at the SGAI show.
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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2013, 12:03:17 AM »
what brand?  any additional info?

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2013, 03:31:49 PM »
what brand?  any additional info?

M&R silly, that's Rich Hoffman...

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2013, 05:09:58 PM »
I'm new here  :P

Fully tool-less micros and ability to hold 23x31 on all heads?
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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2013, 06:01:28 PM »
I'm new here  :P

Fully tool-less micros and ability to hold 23x31 on all heads?
That is correct!
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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2013, 07:45:12 PM »
So far this is sounding extremely appealing.  I have been hoping to transition to m&r equipment simply because i want an m&r auto and would prefer to buy into the system earlier rather than later and avoid redundant or incompatible accessories.

Will it come in a 6/6 configuration? 

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2013, 10:13:47 PM »
Will it come in a 6/6 configuration?

Once you go to auto, you won't really care about a 6/6. A 6/4 or even a 8/4 (Chameleon) is plenty for most shops for production and sampling. A 6/6 is nice to have if you are a really crankin manual printer and plan to stay that way indefinitely. I went from 6/6 to 8/4 and I never missed the 2 other pallet stations.
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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2013, 11:53:17 PM »
unfortunately I don't see an auto in our near future, though I obviously want to make the leap ASAP.  Before we do though we have to transition to a larger space and upgrade efficiency on a few more things, and have a little more of a financial cushion.  In the mean time I am all for maxing out our manual production efficiency, and a 6/6 won't be leaps and bounds faster than a 6/4 but I have watched enough videos and done the math on our own printing and it will be worth the extra cash.

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2013, 04:48:04 PM »
ugh...so hard to wait on info about new press.  There's a vastex 2000 6/4 with sideclamps available for $2600 in my neck of the woods, but I'm trying to be forward thinking...

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Re: Sidewinder
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2013, 06:26:01 PM »
more stations = more cool down after the flash on a manual and you have more flexibility in where you load/unload if you are really rippin' out work on it.  If moving fast on the press, more stations means less flinging the press around and less platens out of parallel too. 

Gotta say that when we had the 8/8 chameleon we kept four adult boards and four sleeve, youth or zip hoodie platens on it typically so 4 stations is totally fine too.