Don't ya just love Corel

[Frog]

Illy is not perfect either and especially when the CS6 came out it was pretty buggy, but nowhere near what is being said about Corel. I think Illy crashes once a month on my system now. . .

pierre

I think that the key phrase here might be "on my system".
I think that these programs, and some of our files can outpace many of our systems.

Oh,  I see that mkI62 and GD were making similar points while I was typing,.

[inkman996]

Brad as I said I do not use auto save, it is recommended to not use it since it can crash corel and is known to cause corrupted files. I prefer to do it myself and often.

My Corel is on a MAC via Fusion, there is a noticeable stability boost but only slightly.

I think people get PC confused with Microsoft Windows. It is Windows that can blow even if you built a 5K machine. Sure there is crappy PC's at Walmart that are next to useless especially with Windows loaded on it with all its bloat.

[mk162]

I don't use autosave either, i guess I didn't explain it.  there are 2 different things, 1 is autobackup the other is a "make backup on save"  that is what really helps.

[3Deep]

I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.

Darryl

[ScreenFoo]

I don't know man, I've seen a lot of jacked up 'custom' PC's in my day.  Of course, I bought a 'retail' computer years ago that turned out to be nothing but an AC smoke bomb.  My point is, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.  Pick one already.   

[mk162]

yup, I did pick one....a thinkstation.

frog is dead on, there shouldn't be a $600 piece of equipment that can really compare to a $3,000 one.

[blue moon]

I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.

Darryl

I used to build and sell computers for living. Exactly the type you are talking about. I knew (while I was doing it) almost all of the vendors in the eastern US that were on that circuit (trade show) and not one of them had the trouble free computers. In part because they were too much of salesmen and not enough of computer geeks, in part because they were trying to make money, in part because they did not have the resources, so with few exceptions, white boxes bought at computer stores or shows (even the high end ones) were less reliable than the similar computers built by the big companies. One of the reasons I really like the Thinkstations is that they are $2k-$4k computers. While they might do better or worse than the other computers in that price range, the beautiful thing is the are available on used and open bos market for $500-$800. That's a fraction of the price and they still come with warranty (90 days to a year), in some cases full manufacturer's support too!

pierre

[Command-Z]

Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.

The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.

A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.

[blue moon]

Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.

The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.

A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.

I agree that the components are almost the same, but there is a difference. Generic video cards can be had with nVidia chips on them and they will not be as reliable as the brand name type (in general). The issue for the most part (from my experience) is not in the individual part as they are all tested up to wazoo, but rather in how those parts interact together. This is the advantage of the Mac and workstation in my opinion. All of the hardware in those units is tested to ensure the utmost compatibility. And if some issue does come up, you can go to the manufacturer's website and download the fix rather than trying to figure out what is going on.

pierre

[Command-Z]

Back when they made it, Mac Corel Draw crashed more than it did on PCs. Still, it didn't crash daily.

The hardware is the same... there's no difference between the RAM, hard drives and processors... none of that is made by Apple, Dell, Alienware, etc. The difference is mostly in the operating systems. There's some interior architecture that differs, but the guts of a PC are basically the same as a Mac.

A healthy system running either platform should run software without crashing all the time.

I agree that the components are almost the same, but there is a difference. Generic video cards can be had with nVidia chips on them and they will not be as reliable as the brand name type (in general). The issue for the most part (from my experience) is not in the individual part as they are all tested up to wazoo, but rather in how those parts interact together. This is the advantage of the Mac and workstation in my opinion. All of the hardware in those units is tested to ensure the utmost compatibility. And if some issue does come up, you can go to the manufacturer's website and download the fix rather than trying to figure out what is going on.

pierre

Right... that's what I meant by "interior architecture," the interact together part. I also agree that you can pretty much count on a Mac being put together well... I prefer to pay extra to have an Apple box as it comes off the shelf, rather than me or someone else put together a custom PC hot rod .

But, I've had many hardware problems with Macs, they're not perfect. They do tend to last longer, but hardware reliability isn't the reason I go with Apple. I think their OS is better, more stable, faster and more intuitive... Look at Windows after every update, they keep trying to make it more like OSX. Sometimes it just doesn't work... this last one, Windows 8, is like Vista. Released way before it was fully ready.

At any rate, my original point was, Mac or PC, if software crashes daily, there's probably a problem elsewhere in the system, not necessarily with the app that keeps crashing. That can be a hardware issue like a bad RAM card, or a software issue like a corrupt font... or a corrupt component within the app that a re-install might cure.

[Mr Tees!!]

I go to a computer shop now and have my PC built for what I need for my graphics programs, I will agree with Brandt that buying a PC straight out the store your looking for crashes.. its going to be loaded with all kinds of junk you don't need, cuz they are making them internet ready, gaming etc.

Darryl

I used to build and sell computers for living. Exactly the type you are talking about. I knew (while I was doing it) almost all of the vendors in the eastern US that were on that circuit (trade show) and not one of them had the trouble free computers. In part because they were too much of salesmen and not enough of computer geeks, in part because they were trying to make money, in part because they did not have the resources, so with few exceptions, white boxes bought at computer stores or shows (even the high end ones) were less reliable than the similar computers built by the big companies. One of the reasons I really like the Thinkstations is that they are $2k-$4k computers. While they might do better or worse than the other computers in that price range, the beautiful thing is the are available on used and open bos market for $500-$800. That's a fraction of the price and they still come with warranty (90 days to a year), in some cases full manufacturer's support too!

pierre

...this is the route I went last year. Pierre even took the time for a phone call with me, several IM's, looked up some additional RAM and sent me a link. Couldn't be happier now (although my X4 crashes once in awhile too, mostly during a large trace).

...Pierre, I don't think I ever said thanks for all the help, man....so THANKS!!

[ScreenFoo]

But, I've had many hardware problems with Macs, they're not perfect. They do tend to last longer, but hardware reliability isn't the reason I go with Apple. I think their OS is better, more stable, faster and more intuitive... Look at Windows after every update, they keep trying to make it more like OSX. Sometimes it just doesn't work... this last one, Windows 8, is like Vista. Released way before it was fully ready.

I agree with you on the potential of being more stable, faster, and more intuitive as far as the OS goes.  But the funny thing about this is, Apple just stole the core OS--the linux kernel--when they released OSX.  They're really only putting a lot of work into their window manager, but if you look at something like Enlightenment, they had great desktop features ten years ago that still aren't implemented by either 'big' OS.  Of course, really their WM and desktop is just to keep people from 'stealing' THEIR software.