MHM presses

[Printficient]

Which type of MHM are you thinking on? You may want to look at a S.Roque also. They were our two finalists, but for the features the S.Roque had the MHM beat by like 15% I believe it was. We got a ECO which is comparable to the S-type.

I haven't even considered the S. Roque. I'll look into them. I think we were gonna get an Extreme

Eric, call me.  I cannot type well enough to e mail.  As to the S Roque it is a copy of an MHM S Type.  Nice press but still a copy.  The same as the TUF press was a copy of the MHM SA.  I like the I Pad control on the Xtreme.

I am sorry I suggested a copy according to Printficient. I really have no vested interest or gain in either press, well that may not be totally accurate, another S.Roque would grow our numbers on the forum here to a staggering 3!

And really, if we want to split hairs here Printficient, wouldn't MHM kind of be a copy of a S.Roque? Considering that S.Roque as a company has been around and making machines longer than MHM?

Really I am not trying to start a pissing contest or argument here, I was just trying to give advice to a fellow printer based on my experience when deciding on a press, and having MHM being a finalist.

Not to join a pissing contest but:
When in 1979 Mr. Manuel Sá settled on his own, occupying the garage at the house of a relative, in the place of S. Roque (Parish of Riba de Ave - Municipality of Vila Nova de Famalicão), he started a company dedicated to providing all kinds of services relating to mechanical metal works. He immediately focused its activities in the region's textile companies, where equipment maintenance, almost entirely imported, provided a labor market with many opportunities.

In November 1983, together with Mr. Joaquim Sá, a private limited company is created with capital of 1 million escudos and two jobs, being assigned the name of "Serralharia Mecânica S. Roque Lda."

While the core business of the company remained to be the provision of services, in 1984 the company created its first automatic circular screen printing machine. Since then he devoted himself to the creation and manufacture of these machines, definitely marking the company's evolution. At the same time also started the manufacture of thermofixation tunnel dryers. Their growth year after year has led to a progressive increase in the number of employees as well as the need for the company to find a space to fit the new reality.

Machines Highest Mechatronic GmbH - located in Austria, Europe - has been present in the screen-printing branch for more than 3 decades.

MHM was founded in 1980 and today belongs to the ARIOLI group – a vertical textile machine manufacturer most famous for its brand - the ARIOLI steam ager. MHM today is one of the leading specialists for screen printing machines and corresponding drying & curing equipment. The MHM product assortment consists of screen and graphic printing machines and accessories. MHM owns a large network of agents and distributors in over 70 countries on six continents.

All MHM machines are developed by MHM and made in Austria under strict quality standards and highly skilled mechanics using state of the art CNC and construction equipment. MHM is well-known for its strict quality control procedures: All MHM machines are fully assembled and only released after extensive testing and inspection. MHM until now has produced and supplied over 15.000 screen-printing machines worldwide.
MHM, due its large production capacities, state of the art technology, highly skilled and motivated employees easily meets market demands and customers’ expectations.

Quality, innovation, and a long tradition in the screen-printing branch contributed to the successful and world-wide brand of MHM.

You decide who's on first.

[TCT]

Ok, if that is all correct then I guess I was wrong. S.Roque may not be older, but that is not the whole point here. I never said or had a problem with the MHM, they are a awesome machine. I was very close to having a X-treme in our shop.
 All I was saying from the get go was it may be in his best interest to check out a very similar machine. When it came down to it for US the price savings enabled us to get a larger machine. That coupled with the availability of add-ons, a "heavy user" customer review, and overwhelming friendless and desire to help that we got directly from S.Roque in Portugal. Made the decision clear for us.

Sorry I got my history wrong.

[screenprintguy]

What's the price on these sroques

[Printficient]

Ok, if that is all correct then I guess I was wrong. S.Roque may not be older, but that is not the whole point here. I never said or had a problem with the MHM, they are a awesome machine. I was very close to having a X-treme in our shop.
 All I was saying from the get go was it may be in his best interest to check out a very similar machine. When it came down to it for US the price savings enabled us to get a larger machine. That coupled with the availability of add-ons, a "heavy user" customer review, and overwhelming friendless and desire to help that we got directly from S.Roque in Portugal. Made the decision clear for us.

Sorry I got my history wrong.

No worries.   I said the S.Roque was a nice machine.  I believe that the MHM still is the fastest set up of the two.  The only thing I don't like about the S.Roque is that you still clamp the screen in.  I know that it is only one bar but that is enough.  MHM screens only move when you move them.  When you remove a screen it can be replaced in perfect registration as long as no one has moved the reg. knobs.  MHM is the only machine that does this.

[TCT]

What's the price on these sroques

I don't know all the prices because I only got quoted on 2 machines. Both machines were the "XL" version the YOU was on par with the M&R Sportsman EXG and The ECO was on par with the ChIIID 2nd bigger version. Both M&R quotes were lacking features that were standard on the S.Roque, and If I remember correctly, the Sportsman version wouldn't do the imprint size(20x28) the S.Roque would I could be wrong on that but I remember there was a sticking point for the Sportsman. The M&R quotes also did not include the Tri-Loc system. So basically a MHM for a M&R price. Now, those were prices from roughly a year ago, I do know there has been a HUGE boom here in the US with people buying their machines, so I don't know if that effected the prices. Sorry I kinda answered your question by not answering it!

  The only thing I don't like about the S.Roque is that you still clamp the screen in.  I know that it is only one bar but that is enough.  MHM screens only move when you move them.  When you remove a screen it can be replaced in perfect registration as long as no one has moved the reg. knobs.  MHM is the only machine that does this.

That one I am going to have to call BS on and I KNOW I am right this time! We have a client that seems to reprint the same design every 2-3 weeks, a lot of times with a color change with 1 of the colors. On the S.Roque it works out great for us, the micros on head 1 never get touched, and head 2 & 7 where we usually have a  flash, we have those dialed in for their other two screens. When we need to run their job, we move the flashes over one place and throw their screens in. No adjusting at all. Same as the MHM as long as the micros are not touched registration is still there.     



Eric, I am SUPER sorry I de-railed your thread so badly, I swear I didn't mean to!
The pre-reg system these machines have I think would work out great for you either way. Considering your issues from your "time suck" post a bit back, I would guess with a pre reg system like these machines have you would be able to easily get a few more jobs a day knocked out without a sweat. The Tri-loc and Newman systems are nice, but they can not come close to the speed of a MHM (or S.Roque) system. Like Dan said Pierre at Blue Moon has a MHM, and his name slips my mind but there is a guy on here from AZ that also has a MHM. Hopefully they can chime in and give you the lowdown on the machines.
Again sorry for the thread jack!

[ericheartsu]

no worries at all, both you and Sonny have been super helpful in this.

We had more work done to our press, which improved registration immensly, but it's still off on two plattens.

Also looking for a press that can help us crank out more of these bigger orders we've been getting lately. We just did about 10K shirts in 7 days, with 16 different designs.

[Printficient]

  The only thing I don't like about the S.Roque is that you still clamp the screen in.  I know that it is only one bar but that is enough.  MHM screens only move when you move them.  When you remove a screen it can be replaced in perfect registration as long as no one has moved the reg. knobs.  MHM is the only machine that does this.

That one I am going to have to call BS on and I KNOW I am right this time! We have a client that seems to reprint the same design every 2-3 weeks, a lot of times with a color change with 1 of the colors. On the S.Roque it works out great for us, the micros on head 1 never get touched, and head 2 & 7 where we usually have a  flash, we have those dialed in for their other two screens. When we need to run their job, we move the flashes over one place and throw their screens in. No adjusting at all. Same as the MHM as long as the micros are not touched registration is still there.     


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I stand corrected.  The one I saw would not do that.  Good to know that there are options out there.  Auto presses should make life easier not harder.  TCT again my apologies for riling you up.  Love your passion.  Go put some ink on underwear.

[Sbrem]

Eric, our Synchro S type is about 9 years old now. We absolutely love the thing, and when the time comes to replace our '94 Gauntlet S, MHM will most likely get the nod, but we look at everyone. When we bought ours originally, we couldn't get Anatol to call us back, so we went to either M&R or MHM. The MHM's Film Placement Unit was what really made the choice for us after seeing both presses in operation and talking with the owners. And the fact that with price being relatively the same at the time, the fact that
MHM's features were built in, not add on options, made the choice easier. But don't get me wrong, I'll talk up M&R all day, great company. Now, in an awful lot of years in the trade, I thought S Roque was fairly new, but apparently I was not in class the day they were mentioned, having a good thirty years under their belt. Check out everything...

Steve

[screenprintguy]

so out of curiosity, nobody knows any approximate pricing on the s-roque machines? like say a 12 co XL? just curious as to what they are actually pricing them at if people can say they are better priced than the other popular machines, they have to have a number right 

[blue moon]

I had the pricing, but can't remember. Call tech support SPS and ask Alan.
From what I can remember, I think they were something like 10% less than an MHM, but with more features.

Sonny, they actually offer a setup where anybody with an MHM can keep using their MHM FPU.

pierre

[Ryan]

they actually have 5 different systems. 2 pin systems, theirs and one to use with MHM, Standard air clamps like everyone has, Newman pin system, latteral frame which I believe is the their Pin system just on the side of the screens instead of the end. One thing that is important about the SRoque to know is that you need to ask for what you want. They aren't very forthcoming in what they can do, but they can do just about anything you would want, but you have to ask. They will make special print programs for you (providing it can be done on an auto), cut special pallets etc. but ASK. I lost out on that boat because I nor anyone else knew. There is a lot I would've probably done differently had I known Everything that could have been done.
~Ryan

[blue moon]

they actually have 5 different systems. 2 pin systems, theirs and one to use with MHM, Standard air clamps like everyone has, Newman pin system, latteral frame which I believe is the their Pin system just on the side of the screens instead of the end. One thing that is important about the SRoque to know is that you need to ask for what you want. They aren't very forthcoming in what they can do, but they can do just about anything you would want, but you have to ask. They will make special print programs for you (providing it can be done on an auto), cut special pallets etc. but ASK. I lost out on that boat because I nor anyone else knew. There is a lot I would've probably done differently had I known Everything that could have been done.
~Ryan

sroque guys are a great bunch and the press looks like a better product than just about anything else out there. At the end of the day, I would still take the MHM. There are shortcomings to both, but I like the way MHM is engineered better. If MHM was out of business, sroque would be our first choice.

All said and done though, you owe it to yourself to look at M&R too. With a triloc you should be able to register pretty quickly and just like many other things, design philosophy is rather personal and you might like a Sportsman better. All three are good presses and will make you money.  They all have areas where they excel over others so in the end you should get the press that makes you happy!

pierre

p.s. did I mention I really like our MHM?

[ericheartsu]

i'm not opposed to m&R, but i don't like that the triloc has to be fitted to our exposure unit. We do standard 23x31 frames, but we also do 36"x43" frames for our flatstock dept, so the trilock would be in the way on our richmond

[ericheartsu]

Also, i don't like that in the past the M&R plattens come up to the screens, that always bugged me. but i believe on the newer presses they don't do that.

[TCT]

Also, i don't like that in the past the M&R plattens come up to the screens, that always bugged me. but i believe on the newer presses they don't do that.

That was A HUGE if not the main deciding factor for us. The MHM and S.Roque style I like better, it allows for multiple jobs to be set up tested/printed and then just turn that head off. There is no need to put pallet tape or block off the shirt side of the screen once there is ink in it if you are going to leave the screen in and run another job. All I could find for M&R that did that was the Alpha 8, and it looks like the old formulas, but I was told those are not sold anymore.