help resetting invisible leftover/imported properties in Illustrator. Any ideas?

[blue moon]

every now and then, we get files that have the properties set in some other program and when opened in Illy there is no place to reset it. For example, we have a file that prints one part at 50% and looking through the layers, appearance, attributes and anything else I can think of, nothing is showing. There is no indication that the layer will print at 50% until it is sent to the printer. If we are lucky, we will see that the element is printing with halftones rather than solid before it goes to the press. . .

So now that I know there is a problem, I tried to reset the element to normal, but can not find the way to do it. In the end, I went up to styles, selected one and then changed it to proper color. Is there a way to find out if any elements have these properties and is there a better way to remove them?

pierre

[Sbrem]

You know, I had a rash of these about a year ago. Now, if I can only remember what I did to fix it since I haven't had one since then. You want to email me a file to check out? Maybe it will jog my memory...

Steve

[Denis Kolar]

Sometimes, if the style is applied to a group, when you click only on one part of the group it will not show you the style applied.
When in Appearance pallet, check if the word "Group Appearance" shows up in it (Or something like that). When you click on it, it will select the whole group.

I hope that is an issues you are seeing.

[JBLUE]

How about flattening the transparency and editing it from there with the percentage of color you need?

[blue moon]

OK, just made the file . . . You'll notice there are no settings anywhere and it prints at 50% (or so).

pierre

[Denis Kolar]

It has 12% "Spot White"

[Denis Kolar]

In the color panel that is

[Denis Kolar]

Here is the screen caption

[JBLUE]

I get 100% in CS5. Both elements are at 100%.

[blue moon]

It has 12% "Spot White"

yup, that's it! I had the stroke in the front so I did not see it.

any way to quickly check for this?

pierre

[Denis Kolar]

It has 12% "Spot White"

yup, that's it! I had the stroke in the front so I did not see it.

any way to quickly check for this?

pierre

I printed the separations to the PDF printer. Looked at the PDF and there it was

[IntegrityShirts]

Weird.  It's at 12 percent, but why isn't the orange color showing through in illustrator?  Is there some setting on the white object that doesn't render the percent fills as shades on top of the orange?  I'm lost lol.  When I pull the fill slider down on the orange it gets lighter as you would expect.  But on the white, it gets, brighter/same.

[ZooCity]

I preflight check for this, like DK.  Enter your print setting just like you would to the rip but print to a postscript file.  Drag the .ps into distiller and check each plate in greyscale for this.  I think filmmaker has that raster preview though, like was in Fast Rip? 

Second checkpoint is with the newman pin lock, you line each film up on the light table and have that opportunity to catch it.  I put the light table and grid in the office right next to the printer so I can stay on it.

Last check is on the darkroom light table when pinning the films.  Still, this crap gets through!  I swear there's an illustrator gnome that likes to cause mischief like this. 

[blue moon]

I preview in the FIlm Maker and can see it there.  The problem is when there are multiple gradients and some are good and some are bad. Especially when  the art is coming from a customer, it's hard to tell just by looking at it.

My hope was there was a way to find these before they go to the printer. Unfortunately it looks like going to the colors panel will be the only way.

pierre

[Sbrem]

Weird.  It's at 12 percent, but why isn't the orange color showing through in illustrator?  Is there some setting on the white object that doesn't render the percent fills as shades on top of the orange?  I'm lost lol.  When I pull the fill slider down on the orange it gets lighter as you would expect.  But on the white, it gets, brighter/same.

click the element, and in the transparency pallet, change the drop down to "Multiply" (I think anyway, no time to check right now)

Steve