CCI Discharge, super quick review. . . UPDATED

[blue moon]

Do you guys use the CCI software??? (I can't install it so far....some goofy requisite utility is needed, I can't make work.)

I also am boosting CCI (both bases and pigments) beyond 10% pigment loading. Depending on the color I want, and the color of the shirt I'm discharging, the colors are sometimes pretty weak at 10%. I tried to get a BRIGHT burnt orange (think Oklahoma State Univ) with CCI using PMS 165 @10% which previously worked nicely with 10% Matsui pigment was nowhere as bright with CCI.

Wow that was poorly written, but at 10% Pigment loading:
Matsui  PMS165    =good and bright,
CCI      PMS 165    =weak. 

Both had 4% ZFS   That isn't the only problem color I have encountered so far.

But long story short I'm moving away from Matsui. I still buy Sericol Yellow Shade Red Texcharge and add Matsui Neo Red pigmented base to it, but beyond that, I'm all CCI for discharge and WB.  I'm still developing a color palette of my "go to" colors.

Stan

Stan,

you don't need the software. The pantone book has all the formulas in it. For example, 165 is 5% yellow and 5% warm red (with 90% base).

pierre

[ZooCity]

That's funny we were running a lot of the same burnt orange color last week and, at 20% ish the CCI was actually much, much more rich than sericol.  This was a repeat order and it actually put the previous run (which all were happy with) to shame so we'll need to be careful to "dull down" CCI mixes on re-orders previously done with Sericol.  I guess it could have been a different dye lot/mix but I doubt it. 

What I find is that 20% or so pigment load eliminates the sort of "washed out" color after cure both running as straight wb and activated.  The colors stay richer. 

[dirkdiggler]

the software is better than the pantone book and it will automatically increase formulas for you if your mathmatically retarded like me.   It has a 5% color boost option that is awesome.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

Yes, I do use the Pantone book, but I just haven't always liked the results. So I had wondered if the there were "corrections" from the PMS book incorporated into the software. (That is what I had hoped, actually)

HOWEVER.....I think my PMS book predates Moses.  And they do fade, I've been warned....and mine is certainly questionable.

I think I'll try the software on a different workstation.


Stan

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

That's funny we were running a lot of the same burnt orange color last week and, at 20% ish the CCI was actually much, much more rich than sericol.  This was a repeat order and it actually put the previous run (which all were happy with) to shame so we'll need to be careful to "dull down" CCI mixes on re-orders previously done with Sericol.  I guess it could have been a different dye lot/mix but I doubt it. 

What I find is that 20% or so pigment load eliminates the sort of "washed out" color after cure both running as straight wb and activated.  The colors stay richer.

Zoo, that is a lot of pigment.  I think the Matsui PMS 165 I've used since the first run of this job (also a re-order) was 6% pigment load. I was always coached by the Matsui vendors that seemed to know something about their product, that 10% loading was okay, but not a lot more. So 20% loading on CCI surprises me a little.  I've gone 12 and 15%, but I didn't want problems, so I've never gone up to 20. I've used 15% several times.

Stan

[dirkdiggler]

20% will work, just cost you more money, but I understand why you do it.  And thats straight from the horses mouth.

[ZooCity]

Maximum Pigment load: Not to exceed 30%

^that's from the TDS on the CMS pigments. I just spoke with a rep and they are actually generating more involved TDS sheets currently that, I believe, will go by the pigment.

I agree, it does cost more to use 2x pigment!  But we do similar even with plastisol and most all of of our inks are run at the maximum level of pigment the base will carry and then we add back appropriate base as needed.

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

Sorry to be so dense, but what is TDS? Total Dissolved Solids?

[TCT]

That's funny we were running a lot of the same burnt orange color last week and, at 20% ish the CCI was actually much, much more rich than sericol.  This was a repeat order and it actually put the previous run (which all were happy with) to shame so we'll need to be careful to "dull down" CCI mixes on re-orders previously done with Sericol.  I guess it could have been a different dye lot/mix but I doubt it. 

What I find is that 20% or so pigment load eliminates the sort of "washed out" color after cure both running as straight wb and activated.  The colors stay richer.

Zoo, that is a lot of pigment.  I think the Matsui PMS 165 I've used since the first run of this job (also a re-order) was 6% pigment load. I was always coached by the Matsui vendors that seemed to know something about their product, that 10% loading was okay, but not a lot more. So 20% loading on CCI surprises me a little.  I've gone 12 and 15%, but I didn't want problems, so I've never gone up to 20. I've used 15% several times.

Stan

I agree with you. We also started with the Matsui system and for the most part stayed at 10% or under, a few times maybe up to 12% or so. The CCI system did seem a bit excessive, but I do like the fact that if you go by formula and it doesn't look right you can add a bit more and not worry about pigment load.

[brandon]

Maximum Pigment load: Not to exceed 30%

^that's from the TDS on the CMS pigments. I just spoke with a rep and they are actually generating more involved TDS sheets currently that, I believe, will go by the pigment.

I agree, it does cost more to use 2x pigment!  But we do similar even with plastisol and most all of of our inks are run at the maximum level of pigment the base will carry and then we add back appropriate base as needed.

We have gone up to 20% pigment load on lots of Matsui mixes and have never had a problem. Of course we also added fixer though. But we really don't use Matsui anymore