When printing burnout shirts

[tonypep]

Consider discharge (come on you knew that was coming)

[NoDirectionNick]

that looks awesome

[Get Shirts]

Awesome, will you share the details? 

[IntegrityShirts]

I'm going to guess 70/30 white/base!

[tonypep]

Actually its the reverse, 70 base to white. Nothing special, 110 mesh one pass. Multi color is possible and easy. Much more on reverse engineering the business model from production backwards but more later if anyone is interested.

[IntegrityShirts]

Damn, got it backwards!  On another note, I'm switching to rutland's base over cci.  Same or better result, and a sweeter aroma as well!

[tonypep]

While you're at it try the white. It's slightly bluer than others. On the reverse engineering here's a bit of how we do it. We combined several tried and true techniques and substrates on the production floor, grabbed a leftover screen and printed samples for sales reps, who in turn present them to qualified customers.
In this case we took a burnout shirt (that process is far from new BTW), a distressed image (we've all been doing that since forever), and DC technology (more than thirty ys old), and get the result of a dimensional graphic with a drape that has to be felt to be  believed. And yes, you can see through the print so when layered with different colored garments, a third color is apparent and can change depending on the underlying garment. In the end this was very simple and shows what you can do with one screen and some and some less than conventional thinking.

[IntegrityShirts]

Will do when I run out of CCI.  Do you order direct from Rutland?  I hate my supplier (always call to say not in stock and will drop ship) which takes a couple extra days.

[tonypep]

Yes we do 800-438-5134 ex 2 f/CS

[dirkdiggler]

rutland will not sell to you direct UNLESS you live in South Carolina, they have no representation there.  I already tried and I am in GA, and the dealers here are  #*&*$&$^!

[tonypep]

Have you tried American Niagra? Ask for Mike Maccaroni. Nice Irish bloke.

[IntegrityShirts]

rutland will not sell to you direct UNLESS you live in South Carolina, they have no representation there.  I already tried and I am in GA, and the dealers here are  #*&*$&$^!

Yeah not good.  I have a number to call today for a Rutland rep who was out of the office on Friday.  The Rutland receptionist started by saying I should be ordering from Martin Supply.  I'm in southwest VA, Rutland is only a few hours drive from me and a one day ship.  Why would I order from Martin, which is a two day ship?  I had been ordering from TexSource, which is a "one day" ship,  only to find they don't have it in stock and they'd be drop shipping it from Rutland.  Wasting another day (or often two) in paper pushing.

[Spreading Ink]

Hey Tony - have you ever printed a burn out in an all over fashion?  Not burn out material or cut pcs, but a finished garment?  We haven't as we think it will be a mess, but I am doing a test this week (mainly because a customer sent me 500 pcs even after I told them that burn out won't work).  Told the customer to get ready for them to ship back as I don't think it will work, but we are going to starch a few and throw them on with a different customer's art as a test (too much work to set up his art just to find out it really won't work).   Anyway I thought I would ask as you have been in this arena before and you might have some pointers?  Ha - most likely - don't do it!!!

[tonypep]

Are you talking about true burn out or faux? Either way it will be tricky at best. I'll try to call later on your time zone
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[tonypep]

Up for air for a minute. True burnout prints involve sodium hydroxide (lye). Proper PPE is absolutely required including respirators and eye/skin protection, especially for the large coverage you are describing. Must be cotton/poly blend as the burnout chemical destroys the cotton and leaves the poly behind. Involves post laundering. As far as coloring the burnout chemicals, procian dyes are best however some WB PCs can produce modest results.
Faux burnouts we have developed involve turning the garment inside out and reverse printing the graphic. Coverage on the inside of the shirt can be heavy so again, I would recommend post laundering for large coverage. In both cases halftones and fine detail is not recommended.
Scary stuff either way.