Camo - underbase grey?

[head north]

I'm trying to print bright orange (804C) on camo and I'm having trouble with one color on the camo bleeding through.  Tried a black UB which worked well but muted the orange and then tried a LB Union white.  The white doesn't want to clear over that one color in the camo with one stroke so I'm double stroking (173 mesh) which clears it but is requiring a longer flash time and that seems to be causing the problem.  It's noticeable on the press and gets worse the more the pallets heat up so I would think it's a flash issue and not a dryer temp issue. 

Should I try Wilflex UB Grey?  If I did that, do you think I would need to UB Grey, white, then orange?  Worried about sending them around to flash twice.

Thanks for any help!

[tonypep]

You're fighting two things here. First; most if not all camos are not dyed but printed. Or sometimes the base color is dyed and the subsequent colors in the pattern are printed. The inks they use are generally not bleed resistant. Second the 804 orange is obviously flourescent and therefore transparent by nature. They gray/white/orange should fix that but it will be a heavy ifinal ink deposit.

[balloonguy]

The UB gray is awesome! I dont think you will need white between the ub and the top color. I guess it will really depend on how bright you want that top color... The ub gray is not that dark to start with though.

[bimmridder]

I find the UB grey works great. There are some colors that we still have to use a white on top of the grey though. I depends, in my mind at least, on what the overprint color is and its ability to cover the grey. And yeah, it's a nice thick print.

[3Deep]

Camos' are a pain to deal with anyway, I've did the underbase gray and it helped a bunch, but could a screenprinted heat press work?  I have never done that, but thought about it since we can make our on heat press transfers.

Darryl

[ZooCity]

Yes, use the ub grey.  Also get some performance white to cut into the grey.   Last off use about one percent viscosity buster, if needed and no more.

[head north]

Thanks guys.  Got some UB grey in today and it works great - think we'll change the orange a little to get something more opaque as well.

Is there a reason why the grey (and the LB white we tried yesterday) won't clear as easily over one color in the shirt?  In this case it's the lightest brown color.  The first stroke clears great over every area except where that color is.  Second stroke gets it but still not as much ink down as the other colors.  Tried higher pressure, slower stroke, etc.  Just wondering what it is with that color.

[ZooCity]

That happens with printed fabric. Maybe Tony knows the why and how. It could just be extreme migration of the printed dye stuff in certain colors of the fabric print.

When I do camos it's all epic performance. Ub grey mixed with the white to get the right base tone through a 150/48.  Then I mix performance top colors at max pigment load using the PC system and ims.  This way the whole ink film cures at 290. Works out great.

One heads up- you need a minimal choke on the ub and therefore very tight reg if using standard top colors. The dye can contract the edges and migrate in that way.