Miami superior Bleeding issue

[inkman996]

Miami's superior is supposed to be low bleed for blends, for the most part that has held up, but the last two days we ran in to some serious bleeding issues.

First up was printing dashing red garment dyed tee's, first shirt through the oven the white turned pure pink. Literally the worse bleeding I have ever seen. Lowered the belt speed, flash etc. Nothing worked, cleaned the ink out threw in extreme white and bang perfect white print.

Today go to print green (St Pattys day duh) again same superior same results, horrible bleeding. Again swapped ink and perfect whites again.

Funny thing is the garment dyed is hundred percent cotton not a blend, and we know from past experience it takes a delicate cure to not bleed, but not with Miami's ink it was impossible.


How is everyone else doing with the ink any bleeding issues? Is it an inconsistent batch maybe? Its a freshly opened five gallon third or forth five gallon with no previous issues like this.

[alan802]

I won't use just a low bleed for any blended or 100% poly tee, we only use the no bleed poly whites.  I've found that even the low bleed whites will bleed due to high dryer heat so I use Rutland Poly white, Xenon Horse white or Triangle Excel for any shirts that may bleed.  I screwed up a 700 piece 50/50 red shirt job using a low bleed white as an underbase and top white and the ink failed so I don't even try any more.

[screenprintguy]

Im right there with Alan, stopped trusting the whites that are supposed to work well with blends, especially on garment died, 50/50, and camo. We switched that over to Wilflex performance white since it cures at 290 degrees and has a better bleed prohibiter. If something is a bit hard to work with, like camo, we will use the performance mixed with a little black to make a grey as an underbase and so far it's been very successful on very bleed prone shirts. Kevin from Miami even told me when I asked him about the bleed proofing that he can't guarantee the bleed proofing due to the unreliability of the manufacturings dyeing and not properly fixing the dies in the fabrics. We started charging a small upcharge on anything needing poly inks to compensate that expense.

[inkman996]

Yea it is a bummer to print straight poly on blends, the cost is quite a difference.

Sad that no one well except the real big dogs can produce consistent products.

[IntegrityShirts]

Yeah I didn't know superior was supposed to be bleed resistant.  I print poly with ICC 7014 phthalate free and it's a dang nightmare to get through the screen, so stiff, had to put reducer in it.  I need a different poly white!

[Binkspot]

Had trouble once a few weeks back with Smooth White on Comfort Colors, Willow only on smalls but you could see they were dyed in a diffident batch, much darker color. There was only 8 smalls in the order and the white turned a little darker. The rest of the order printed fine.

[ScreenFoo]

I won't use just a low bleed for any blended or 100% poly tee, we only use the no bleed poly whites.  I've found that even the low bleed whites will bleed due to high dryer heat so I use Rutland Poly white, Xenon Horse white or Triangle Excel for any shirts that may bleed.  I screwed up a 700 piece 50/50 red shirt job using a low bleed white as an underbase and top white and the ink failed so I don't even try any more.

Rutland, Xenon, AND Triangle make a no bleed white?  Didn't think it was possible.  (Sorry, someone had to.  )

[Printficient]

Rutland, Xenon, AND Triangle make a no bleed white?  Didn't think it was possible.  (Sorry, someone had to.  )
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The Xenon Mustang (Horse) White cures at 258 degrees.  Hard to bleed at that low of a temp.  Our Reg White cures at 290 degrees.  Possible bleed on poorly dyed shirts at that temp.

[JBLUE]

This is one reason why I have not left Quick White. We have had none of the issues above. No bleeding. We use poly white on 100% poly garments everything else gets Quick. 50/50's, 60 poly 40 cotton, and tri-blends. Never an issue. Those cheap whites just are not worth it.

[ZooCity]

This is one reason why I have not left Quick White. We have had none of the issues above. No bleeding. We use poly white on 100% poly garments everything else gets Quick. 50/50's, 60 poly 40 cotton, and tri-blends. Never an issue. Those cheap whites just are not worth it.

Yessir.  I was about to say the same.  You get what you pay for in some cases. 

There's no way we could run a straight poly (WFX Epic Performance is the poly ink in our shop) on 50/50s, tri-blends, etc.  The print would be brutal on that thinner, softer shirt.  Quick is pretty alright- never has bled on us, cures to a softer, rubbery, matte finish v. a coarser, plastic-like, gloss. 

I do break out the poly on camos and printed fabric of any sort typically.

[tonypep]

OP states that the garment is not a blend and is garment dyed which can also bleed like a pig especially if they use sulfur dyes. What is the label on the garment? Chouinard perhaps?

[IntegrityShirts]

OP states that the garment is not a blend and is garment dyed which can also bleed like a pig especially if they use sulfur dyes. What is the label on the garment? Chouinard perhaps?

Good point.  I have had all kinds of problems with Comfort Colors/Chouinard fleece in the past, but not with miami ink.

[inkman996]

OP states that the garment is not a blend and is garment dyed which can also bleed like a pig especially if they use sulfur dyes. What is the label on the garment? Chouinard perhaps?

One was a garment fyed by District Threads (Sanmar) But the other was a standard 50/50 green.

Both bled like all hell, but switching out to a wilflex lo-bleed stopped it.

I really like the Miami inks but this makes me nervous. Many times I have seen bleeding manifest well after the oven so if their ink is inconsistent in any way maybe stuff we have printed or will print in the future will go sour long after the customer has picked up.

Guess its back to expensive inks, for peace of mind.

Now if they can make discharge inks that we can cure in realistic speeds on short electric ovens life would be great.

[Frog]

We need someone who happens to have a good assortment of current Low-bleed whites to stage, monitor, and report the results of a head to head to head to head to head to head to head to head competition. (Including a visit back in two weeks to expose "sleepers". That's how I got burned twenty years ago)

Coming on TSB, Bleed Wars! 

[IntegrityShirts]

Well heck, I'm about out of my 5 gal of Superior and I plan to order another fiver.  Maybe I'll do a little test between what's left in my 5 and the new 5!