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Offline Northland

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Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« on: February 12, 2013, 10:14:46 PM »
I've got a job for 170 Black performance t-shirts (100% poly, C2 brand). My Union poly-1050 is just too thick to get a decent print.
I tried some One Stroke LB premium and got a nice print... but the whole dye migration thing has me spooked.

Can any one offer a suggestion for a really creamy white plastisol ?? ... something that would be appropriate for performance fabric.


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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 10:18:56 PM »
I have had great results with Rutlands Super Poly white. I like it a lot better than the poly white I have used prior to it. We have ran every color of the rainbow of poly shirts with it and never an issue so far. Just did 750 maroon poly's last week. No migration at all.
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 10:26:32 PM »
Wilflex Epic Performance White.  If you use it, keep some QEC Viscosity Buster on hand and add no more than 1-2% if needed.  Before reaching for the buster, warm the ink (try this with the ink you have as well) stir well and keep it moving.  This solves a lot of the problems that come up with thicker inks.

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 10:42:55 PM »
I have had great results with Rutlands Super Poly white. I like it a lot better than the poly white I have used prior to it. We have ran every color of the rainbow of poly shirts with it and never an issue so far. Just did 750 maroon poly's last week. No migration at all.
Thanks... can it be printed threw a 160 or higher mesh ?

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 10:44:29 PM »
Wilflex Epic Performance White.  If you use it, keep some QEC Viscosity Buster on hand and add no more than 1-2% if needed.  Before reaching for the buster, warm the ink (try this with the ink you have as well) stir well and keep it moving.  This solves a lot of the problems that come up with thicker inks.
thanks Zoo.... will it print threw a 160 or higher ?

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 11:06:55 PM »
I have had great results with Rutlands Super Poly white. I like it a lot better than the poly white I have used prior to it. We have ran every color of the rainbow of poly shirts with it and never an issue so far. Just did 750 maroon poly's last week. No migration at all.
Thanks... can it be printed threw a 160 or higher mesh ?

Like the Wilflex you may need to put a little reducer in it. The poly T's are ink suckers so you may want to stay with the 160. I run 160 S mesh as the base screens on the poly T's. I used the Wilflex for a long time and it is great ink just a little thicker than the Rutland.
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2013, 05:39:31 AM »
We have had a lot of luck with the International poly. No reducer needed needed even on cold mornings but sometimes add a just a little stretch additive.  I usually run it through a 160.

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2013, 08:47:27 AM »
International Coatings  - Paramount white

It's their poly white, very similar to union poly white. Very thick at first then it prints like a dream.
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2013, 08:51:35 AM »
i've only tried unions and wilflex,  i prefer union - usable straight out the bucket.  the wilflex is a touch cheaper - but hard like a rock .

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2013, 09:01:08 AM »
The big boys use the HSA (high solid acrylics) for these. Ginormous learning curve and probably not worth it if this is a one time charlie. They dry in the screen in a blink. That said Rutland, Wilflex, and Sericol among others offer these.

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2013, 09:07:42 AM »
Xenon Mustang White.  Cures at 260 degrees.  $72 per gallon.  Xenon Reg White.  Cures at 290 degrees.  $50 per gallon.  Both go through a 160 mesh no problem
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2013, 09:37:43 AM »
I do those jersey all the time and us one stroke color max white.  very smooth and i can print it through a 156 manually or a 230 auto easily.

absolutely no dye migration

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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013, 09:46:09 AM »
Wilflex Performance White beats them all IMO, and I have tried ALL of them.  Straight out of the bucket.
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2013, 11:00:27 AM »
Wilflex Performance White beats them all IMO, and I have tried ALL of them.  Straight out of the bucket.

The Performance White is specifically designed for these type of fabrics.  The Wilflex PolyWhite might be the most bleed resistant, but it is thicker and not as elastic as the Performance White.

Be on the lookout .... Wilflex is marketing a range of standard colors based upon this technology and will be released VERY.  I have look at the inks and there are some real nice characteristics for printers needing a RFU solution in plastisol for performance wear and poly jersey printing.  Additionally, Nazdar SourceOne is closing in on the color palette in our ImageStar Silicone offering.

The big advantage of using these is keeping the cure temperature below the potential sublimation point of the polyester dyes.  Commonly used low energy dyes can be a real problem.

Tony is spot on with High Solids waterbase being a solution as well.  However, you need to be concerned on the cure temps/time as most H20 systems need 330f for 2 minutes or more.  Underbase gray technology for the HS is a good recommendation for the bad bleeders.
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Re: Need an ink recommendation for 100% poly performance tees
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2013, 11:10:48 AM »
Xenon horse White.  Cures at 260 degrees.  $72 per gallon.  Xenon Reg White.  Cures at 290 degrees.  $50 per gallon.  Both go through a 160 mesh no problem

Has anyone used and confirmed these numbers Sonny posted? I would think if they are accurate it would be a game changer but I havent heard anyone saying they are running shirts at 260 degrees?

Wilflex poly is really good unions 1070 rocks but stiff as hell. Not much of a problem on an auto, a nightmare for manual.
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