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Quote from: GraphicDisorder on September 29, 2012, 11:03:46 AMQuote from: Homer on September 29, 2012, 10:43:28 AMdo you really see a differance in these higher tensions? we have been using rollers here and there for the past year, and I have to admit at first we were like, holy sh!t, these are sweet. But as we learned more and more about squeegies, pressure, seps and mesh selection - I no longer use the rollers, they just do not fit in our model. too time consuming for a small shop like mine. not to turn this into a roller debat but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?Often wondered this as well. You often get that reaction out of people when they first go to them. But I can't tell you how many people talk about it on these boards then a picture is posted later of some thing on their press or something and there they are, statics on the press being used. If they were the end all be all why would that be happening. I would think if in fact night and day they would phase out statics all the way.I am at the point where we are going to do be moving to either rollers or a bigger press. Probably sooner than later. Probably both before its over with but I wonder should I do rollers first or bigger press first? We are doing so many jobs now that are 6-7 colors. I need more heads. Period. In fact its quickly becoming the more colors I will put on it the more they will pay for and seem happy to with the detailed art. But at the same time I could probably learn discharge and ditch flashing and end up picking up a head or two from not using a flash/cool down. Could band aid it for awhile. What to do..Brandt, we're strictly roller frames here, no statics. I do believe that prints come out better from having rollers (as long as your tensions and what not are correct), but I believe the biggest benefit to rollers/high tension is the consistent increase in speed, less ink being used to achieve the coverage needed, and great one hit whites. I know you know all of this already, just throwing in my 2 cents here... It's not only about print quality, but about more production in less time.
Quote from: Homer on September 29, 2012, 10:43:28 AMdo you really see a differance in these higher tensions? we have been using rollers here and there for the past year, and I have to admit at first we were like, holy sh!t, these are sweet. But as we learned more and more about squeegies, pressure, seps and mesh selection - I no longer use the rollers, they just do not fit in our model. too time consuming for a small shop like mine. not to turn this into a roller debat but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?Often wondered this as well. You often get that reaction out of people when they first go to them. But I can't tell you how many people talk about it on these boards then a picture is posted later of some thing on their press or something and there they are, statics on the press being used. If they were the end all be all why would that be happening. I would think if in fact night and day they would phase out statics all the way.I am at the point where we are going to do be moving to either rollers or a bigger press. Probably sooner than later. Probably both before its over with but I wonder should I do rollers first or bigger press first? We are doing so many jobs now that are 6-7 colors. I need more heads. Period. In fact its quickly becoming the more colors I will put on it the more they will pay for and seem happy to with the detailed art. But at the same time I could probably learn discharge and ditch flashing and end up picking up a head or two from not using a flash/cool down. Could band aid it for awhile. What to do..
do you really see a differance in these higher tensions? we have been using rollers here and there for the past year, and I have to admit at first we were like, holy sh!t, these are sweet. But as we learned more and more about squeegies, pressure, seps and mesh selection - I no longer use the rollers, they just do not fit in our model. too time consuming for a small shop like mine. not to turn this into a roller debat but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?
but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?
Quote from: tancehughes on September 29, 2012, 01:44:42 PMQuote from: GraphicDisorder on September 29, 2012, 11:03:46 AMQuote from: Homer on September 29, 2012, 10:43:28 AMdo you really see a differance in these higher tensions? we have been using rollers here and there for the past year, and I have to admit at first we were like, holy sh!t, these are sweet. But as we learned more and more about squeegies, pressure, seps and mesh selection - I no longer use the rollers, they just do not fit in our model. too time consuming for a small shop like mine. not to turn this into a roller debat but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?Often wondered this as well. You often get that reaction out of people when they first go to them. But I can't tell you how many people talk about it on these boards then a picture is posted later of some thing on their press or something and there they are, statics on the press being used. If they were the end all be all why would that be happening. I would think if in fact night and day they would phase out statics all the way.I am at the point where we are going to do be moving to either rollers or a bigger press. Probably sooner than later. Probably both before its over with but I wonder should I do rollers first or bigger press first? We are doing so many jobs now that are 6-7 colors. I need more heads. Period. In fact its quickly becoming the more colors I will put on it the more they will pay for and seem happy to with the detailed art. But at the same time I could probably learn discharge and ditch flashing and end up picking up a head or two from not using a flash/cool down. Could band aid it for awhile. What to do..Brandt, we're strictly roller frames here, no statics. I do believe that prints come out better from having rollers (as long as your tensions and what not are correct), but I believe the biggest benefit to rollers/high tension is the consistent increase in speed, less ink being used to achieve the coverage needed, and great one hit whites. I know you know all of this already, just throwing in my 2 cents here... It's not only about print quality, but about more production in less time.Faster printing would certainly be a nice side effect of course. I got a lot to think about.
Quote from: GraphicDisorder on September 29, 2012, 06:06:58 PMQuote from: tancehughes on September 29, 2012, 01:44:42 PMQuote from: GraphicDisorder on September 29, 2012, 11:03:46 AMQuote from: Homer on September 29, 2012, 10:43:28 AMdo you really see a differance in these higher tensions? we have been using rollers here and there for the past year, and I have to admit at first we were like, holy sh!t, these are sweet. But as we learned more and more about squeegies, pressure, seps and mesh selection - I no longer use the rollers, they just do not fit in our model. too time consuming for a small shop like mine. not to turn this into a roller debat but honestly, does this super high tension really make a better print?Often wondered this as well. You often get that reaction out of people when they first go to them. But I can't tell you how many people talk about it on these boards then a picture is posted later of some thing on their press or something and there they are, statics on the press being used. If they were the end all be all why would that be happening. I would think if in fact night and day they would phase out statics all the way.I am at the point where we are going to do be moving to either rollers or a bigger press. Probably sooner than later. Probably both before its over with but I wonder should I do rollers first or bigger press first? We are doing so many jobs now that are 6-7 colors. I need more heads. Period. In fact its quickly becoming the more colors I will put on it the more they will pay for and seem happy to with the detailed art. But at the same time I could probably learn discharge and ditch flashing and end up picking up a head or two from not using a flash/cool down. Could band aid it for awhile. What to do..Brandt, we're strictly roller frames here, no statics. I do believe that prints come out better from having rollers (as long as your tensions and what not are correct), but I believe the biggest benefit to rollers/high tension is the consistent increase in speed, less ink being used to achieve the coverage needed, and great one hit whites. I know you know all of this already, just throwing in my 2 cents here... It's not only about print quality, but about more production in less time.Faster printing would certainly be a nice side effect of course. I got a lot to think about. We were like you as far as a press goes. We had a 8 color and found we didnt have enough heads We just brought in a 12 color with another quartz flash (all M&R) and could not be happier. We strictly use roller frames.(We have the stretching table and bolts of mesh)Once you have a system down it doesnt take long to mesh frames and get ready for press. I would get the frames first then the press. You have a nice press now and would benifit from roller frames. Keep a eye out for used ones, thats how I have purchased many of ours. We found many M3's in great condition for a fraction of new.