How would you have printed this?

[GraphicDisorder]

it's not an amateur question, i was wondering the same thing.

Me too, looks like the shirt to me. I have White underbase, flash, cool, blue, orange, flash, cool, highlight white as a 4 color, if I had the the dark blue, it would be printed 1st, in front of the underbase white... A very straight ahead job I think, done thousands like it over the years.

Steve

The only white on the shirt is the Teeth and the Sharks eyes.  Everything else you think is white was light blue.  The flash on the pic blew it out.   There are 2 blues.

Attached is the pre-press artwork.

Well then, white under, flash, cool, dk. blue, lt. blue, orange, flash, highlight white. Still pretty straight ahead.

Steve

Ya thats how I wanted to run it but Shelly wasn't comfy with wet on wet.  I need to just force it to be that way.  Haha. 

[Dottonedan]

This brings up a thought I had a long time ago. What if we had Dan the Sep man come up with a design. we as printers go ahead with our method of sep'n (in house, send out, whatever)  print and trade each other our finished product along with all the details. I bet we could all learn a few new tricks...

We talked about doing this at one point and drifted away from it. Although, I think when we talked about it, we were going to use just my own seps and compare how people approach printing it. If we let everyone sep it how they might themselves, it would not be any real comparison other than to say, look how different we can get.


It would be a good thing to compare to (to have the same art file and same set of seps).  I bet you'd get the same look of print quality with three different approaches. You'd also get a few extreme differences.


We could use one of my stock designs. I'd hate to take the time to do a special design and separate it just for the test comparison.

[Inkworks]

Ya thats how I wanted to run it but Shelly wasn't comfy with wet on wet.  I need to just force it to be that way.  Haha.

W.o.w. takes a bit of a learning curve. Flashing after every colour makes it easy, but as you know it's a production killer on bigger runs. I think getting comfy with w.o.w. is the toughest part of going from manual to auto. I sure suggest having at least 2 flash cure stations for anyone buying an auto, It may not be needed if you do a lot of sim process and index colour/half tone printing, but for bread and butter multi color spot printing it's a great help.

The one thing I noticed from almost all the answers was how just about everybody was flashing right after the orange. Some colours just react better to having 2-3 other screens step on them w.o.w. than others.

ps: I thought you were printing a dark navy blue and the shark belly/brow and design background were all white. I'd change my answer in light of them being light blue.

[GraphicDisorder]

Ya thats how I wanted to run it but Shelly wasn't comfy with wet on wet.  I need to just force it to be that way.  Haha.

W.o.w. takes a bit of a learning curve. Flashing after every colour makes it easy, but as you know it's a production killer on bigger runs. I think getting comfy with w.o.w. is the toughest part of going from manual to auto. I sure suggest having at least 2 flash cure stations for anyone buying an auto, It may not be needed if you do a lot of sim process and index colour/half tone printing, but for bread and butter multi color spot printing it's a great help.

The one thing I noticed from almost all the answers was how just about everybody was flashing right after the orange. Some colours just react better to having 2-3 other screens step on them w.o.w. than others.

ps: I thought you were printing a dark navy blue and the shark belly/brow and design background were all white. I'd change my answer in light of them being light blue.

We have 2 flashes, one M&R Cayenne 18x22 and a Vastex 18x24.  Actually we even have a 3rd that is a Vastex 16x18 but it has trouble keeping up so we don't often use it. 

I simply need to force wet on wet printing, even if it kills us in for now it will be for the best in the end.  It is killing production at times now. 

[Dottonedan]

As a side note,  Target Graphics, (the award winning 4 color process on black garments guy) flashes in between each color. I think he has a very large press with a flash at every 3rd stations. He is not allowing his inks to mix. They print side by side and over top...but your eye needs to do the blending. Thats why he shoots for such a fine halftone dot. He's also the guy who touts printing 85 and 100 line screen, but of the dots, they are always hard, sharp, clean  and well defined dots.


It's a trade off. While he has very bright cmyk images with very clean images on darks, they do have hand. That is the negative of flashing between colors. Rubber. Even tho he's using very high mesh on each screen, he's still compounding that. Plastic dots over plastic dots eventually build a plastic hand feel.  I believe he is strictly ASI and contract. So his SMYK on darks take as long as someone's 10 color on lights I'd think.

[tonypep]

Which is why true discharge sim process WOW works so well. I'll have something to show in the next couple of weeks which is a sim process photographic design 10 colors wow no flash no UB. I printed this an the Caribbean a few ys ago and just now was able to retrieve the files.

[inkstain]

Just gotta say THANKS to everyone chiming in on this topic.  I'm a rookie when it comes to using an Auto.  Today will be my second day.  Also, rookie in printing WOW.  I learn so much from you all here!  Thanks!

[Sbrem]

if you live through it, tomorrow will be your third. Be patient, if we're doing it, it's because it can be done, and you can do it too.

Steve

[GraphicDisorder]

BTW Sorry for baiting you all into answering how I knew you would.  LOL.  I had to give you a fair question to answer it this way so I could show Shelly that wet on wet is the way to go.  I gotta make it happen, I want to buy a larger press as well but we could get by a little while with what we have.  But I expect in the next 12 months one way or another we will be doing a CH3.  I would rather wait on that than say get a 12 color EXG right now which is in the budget easily.  But I am trying to focus on winter that is coming.  I know I am going to need more embroidery machines soon. 

Joys of 53% growth....LOL.

[mk162]

wouldn't it have just been easier to print it wet on wet on the press to show her?  Now you drag a bunch of guys in on how to do things this way, while you are saying "Shelly wants to do it her way and i want to prove her wrong in front of everybody."  That's a recipe for healthy relationship.

[Gilligan]

Just punch her in the mouth and tell her how it is!



You got a beard don't you Brandt?

[alan802]

Just punch her in the mouth and tell her how it is!

You got a beard don't you Brandt?

Damn, that is one way of solving the problem!  But do you have to have a beard to beat on your old lady?

[mk162]

usually just a goatee.  people with goatees are one of 3 things...assholes, child molesters or major league baseball players

[Prosperi-Tees]

usually just a goatee.  people with goatees are one of 3 things...assholes, child molesters or major league baseball players

Well I am not a child molester and for sure not a major league baseball player otherwise I wouldnt be here so.... hmmm

[mk162]

well that only leaves 1.