Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison
Got a call last week for printing polypropylene bags in the 10K/1 color range. Gave him my bestprice and I'm still ten times the cost for the same thing in China, and I knew it.We would likely produce a better product at a much shorter lead time but for some thatdoes not matter.Fella lacked the wherewithal not to ask why we're so much more. I asked him if he wantedto work for Chinese wages in America...
Quote from: ebscreen on August 20, 2012, 01:07:10 PMGot a call last week for printing polypropylene bags in the 10K/1 color range. Gave him my bestprice and I'm still ten times the cost for the same thing in China, and I knew it.We would likely produce a better product at a much shorter lead time but for some thatdoes not matter.Fella lacked the wherewithal not to ask why we're so much more. I asked him if he wantedto work for Chinese wages in America...EB, "Clearly you are marking up your product way too much."
What was your price on 10k 1 color? (1 side? or 2)? Just curious where you are at compared to the 10 times less in China. Was the China price including shipping? I've competed in quotes with some China work. Time shipping was in there I was competitive and certainly the wait time with me was way better.If a client is okay with that type of wait time then there isn't a lot you can do about it, and I agree your product is likely better if not much better, but that's not to say there aren't good China Printers. Just few and far between. I wouldn't say ALL are bad.
Quality varies HUGE with inkjet films.Got some stuff from Ryonet quite a few years back that was unusable garbage.Not sure if that's changed.I can usually tell if it's any good by licking my finger and touching the print sideof the film. Big stick = good.Lastly, more than I hate garbage offshore manufacturing, I hate the American folks thattake American business and send it that way.A few years back I got a call from a print broker that was looking for artwork for a clientthat had done some large numbers with us in the past. This lady (from one of the wealthiertowns around here) specifically stated on her web page that they would provide bottom pricepoint products by going to overseas manufacturing. Eff that noise.Funny thing is she had a copy of a mockup we had sent the company that had perfectlyusable vector artwork, and her foreign counterpart was either too dimwitted or tired of herBS and told her it wasn't usable. It came to her pretty much asking me to modify the artand send it to her so she could use it to take business away from us, no charge of course. There is nothing that enrages me more than folks trying to get rich without lifting a finger, at the price of someone else losing work. The realtors of the print world.Just thinking about it makes me want to print a million stickers deriding her business.Not that I care much about the loss of the client, just that people like that need to notexist.
Quote from: GraphicDisorder on August 20, 2012, 01:25:08 PMWhat was your price on 10k 1 color? (1 side? or 2)? Just curious where you are at compared to the 10 times less in China. Was the China price including shipping? I've competed in quotes with some China work. Time shipping was in there I was competitive and certainly the wait time with me was way better.If a client is okay with that type of wait time then there isn't a lot you can do about it, and I agree your product is likely better if not much better, but that's not to say there aren't good China Printers. Just few and far between. I wouldn't say ALL are bad.$0.38/side, single color. He was paying $0.04.If his clients need them faster we'll have the work, but that's beside the point.How can you even ask why China is cheaper?
Side note:Down here in Louisiana crawfish is obviously a big industry. There is a big thing with "don't buy chinese crawfish" by just about everyone. This is because everyone around here knows someone who knows someone who farms crawfish. Though I TOTALLY respect that, I do find it funny that these same people are scoffing at these "chinese crawfish" while they are shopping for all their chinese made goods in walmart!