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Offline Prosperi-Tees

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Does this look like a gallon to you?
« on: June 15, 2012, 12:48:15 AM »
What yall think?


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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 01:31:06 AM »
If the container is a little bigger, and leaves room for mixing, I'd say it's a good thing.

On the other hand, if it's a 45A bucket from Kirk Containers (look on the bottom), it is not as full as the IC Navy I just bought.
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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 02:47:02 AM »
Is it at the bottom fill line?  They could also have packed it by weight... if there is more flake in this batch it could be heavier by volume...

Some metallics will gas over time.... I don't know about I.C. formulations.... So I am not sure if that is the reasoning here.

I would still feel a bit gyped though.
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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 08:28:01 AM »
i know they ship gallons by weight....a gallon is a gallon...just depends on what that gallon is...just a like a pound of feathers is a lot larger than a pound of bricks...

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 08:37:26 AM »
You know.. I almost did the same thing here by post a pic of my last gallon of ink I purchased.  I bought a gallon of Wilflex White Buffalo and truly felt like there was about quart to a quart and half missing from the bucket.  I called the supplier and they claimed that all the buckets were filled that way and that they were filled by weight.  As much as I tried to pry the info from her, she couldn't / wouldn't tell me how much a full gallon of ink should weigh.

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 08:39:04 AM »
i know they ship gallons by weight....a gallon is a gallon...just depends on what that gallon is...just a like a pound of feathers is a lot larger than a pound of bricks...

sam

Galon is a measure for volume and not weight.
If you sell something as a gallon, it should be filled to the same height/line in every color, it should not matter how heavy it is.


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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 08:53:23 AM »
Sorry but thats not how it is with ink and many other chemicals. Manufacturers and distributors use the term "gallon" as a user friendly description intended for the end user. In actuality each component is sold by weight. A "gallon" of Marine blue does not weigh the same as one of mixing yellow, for instance. Most or all ink manufacturers have a given weight attributed to each ink or additive per "gallon". That isn't to say they don't occaisonally have a "butchers thumb" on the scale at times but assuming everyone is practicing ethical business standards you are getting what you pay for.
It's the cereal box analogy......sold by weight not volume, contents may settle.

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 09:00:29 AM »
Sorry but thats not how it is with ink and many other chemicals. Manufacturers and distributors use the term "gallon" as a user friendly description intended for the end user. In actuality each component is sold by weight. A "gallon" of Marine blue does not weigh the same as one of mixing yellow, for instance. Most or all ink manufacturers have a given weight attributed to each ink or additive per "gallon". That isn't to say they don't occaisonally have a "butchers thumb" on the scale at times but assuming everyone is practicing ethical business standards you are getting what you pay for.
It's the cereal box analogy......sold by weight not volume, contents may settle.

I understand that, but at least, they should mark the gallon buckets as "1 Gallon" with " ", so there would not be posts like this :)

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 09:13:43 AM »
this came up before and the manufacturer's reps that chimed in explained that you are buying a specific weight in a "Gallon" container. As Colin siad, I know this and still don't like it, but at least understanding why makes it easier to cope with . . .

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 09:15:51 AM »
Agreed but that would hold them to higher standards wouldn't it?  :P
 In all fairness having visited the Polyone facility in Kennessaw I personally witnessed how they package the ink. It is done with extreme precision and accuracy. Can't speak for the others but I'd like to think they are all on board. Maybe it's my new rose colored glasses!

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 09:19:07 AM »
It does not matter what the "standard" is, you got ripped off.......A gallon should be a gallon.....Put in a protest to your credit card company..

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 09:23:47 AM »
And good luck with that!

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 09:36:56 AM »
I bought an IC red  a few months ago that was just above 1/2 way full ,their excuse was that the ink settled. 

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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 09:45:34 AM »
i know they ship gallons by weight....a gallon is a gallon...just depends on what that gallon is...just a like a pound of feathers is a lot larger than a pound of bricks...

sam

Galon is a measure for volume and not weight.
If you sell something as a gallon, it should be filled to the same height/line in every color, it should not matter how heavy it is.

Agreed sounds like to me as an excuse to cheapskate the customer. I bought some older IC inks from an ink sale and a few newer ones in the clear IC buckets, the newer inks are not filled as high. Could this have something to do with the economy? I've noticed food portions in packaged foods at the super market have also shrunk in size but inflated in price.  Union inks still sell true gallons.  BTW I love how Ryonet relables everything as Ryonet.
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Re: Does this look like a gallon to you?
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 10:09:51 AM »
I bought an IC red  a few months ago that was just above 1/2 way full ,their excuse was that the ink settled.

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