what is the difference between M&R micros and Anatols?

[Prosperi-Tees]

The Anatol, RPM, Brown, and I think MHM all use a direct drive system. Basically all of the micros are independent of each other.

On an M&R, Progressive, Tuf, and many manual presses. One of the front/back movements is attached to the left/right movement causing a slight ark when used.

IMHO the direct drive systems are easier to use (and much easier to learn on), but as others have pointed out with experience both systems do the same job.

Sounds to me, your biggest problem now is the manual screen clamps... 

Thanks. That explains it alot better.

[ZooCity]

+1 for spot colors post.

m&r style are 'x-y' style micros. also present on some other brands. imho, they are inferior to systems with the above described direct drive.  we've had two presses in the shop, different brands, same micros and they both exhibited the same issues that led to my humble opinion on them. The horizontal motion is an arc rather than a straight movement, they are more macros than micros, they feature an excessive amount of 'tail  whip' and the anti-droop plate needed to lock them in place doesn't function correctly or hold it's position with heavier frames in production.

Claims that pre reg systems negate any need for micros are pure hyperbole and should be disregarded.  Micros serve a variety of needs on press and, for us, we typically need a straight horizontal nudge and thats all.  We use pin lock, which is similar to trilock but a little more advanced and no, every screen is not dead nuts in reg but they are very close.  The anatol we have is a sad joke compared to m&r in terms of build quality but the use of their micros has saved us countless payroll hours and general aggravation.

I want to start a campaign to get m&r to update their micros so we can happily buy and use their machines which are otherwise the jam.

[Homer]

I want to start a campaign to get m&r to update their micros so we can happily buy and use their machines which are otherwise the jam.

One of the main reasons we are looking at MHM over the sportsman.

[Croft]

the micros on my Sportsman work Ok but the one on the Chameleon manual press are poor IMO.

[244]

the micros on my Sportsman work Ok but the one on the Chameleon manual press are poor IMO.

They both are exactly the same. If you are not happy with the way they work send me your contact information and I will tell you how to adjust them for correct operation. They should work the same.

[mk162]

rich, how about upgrading the micros?  You guys have improved almost every other aspect of your presses, but they still have virtually the same micros.

[ZooCity]

rich, how about upgrading the micros?  You guys have improved almost every other aspect of your presses, but they still have virtually the same micros.

Do it man!

[244]

rich, how about upgrading the micros?  You guys have improved almost every other aspect of your presses, but they still have virtually the same micros.

The micros on our presses are used very successfully by 99.9 percent of our customers and is the same on every one of our presses whether they be manual or automatic. To be quite honest this is the only place I hear about them not working. I think and of course I could be wrong that the presses spoke of here are not adjusted properly as the comment about the auto being o.k. But the Chameleon is bad when in fact they are the same. There are tens of thousands of these micros out there and if this was a weak link rest assured we would address it. Let's see how the micro works if we show how to adjust it properly.

[rmonks]

It may be out there, BUT I don't know why with today's technology someone has not invented a press that can line up the screens and adjust with laser sights or something more tech. like. Just saying.

[mk162]

Rich, mine work fine, as do most of the other people's here.  It's the design and how they function that needs updating.

[tonypep]

Actually there was some R&D in this area more than a decade ago. It was a designated pallet that used lasers and servo micros. It actually worked pretty well as a stand alone but was too impractical for everyday use. It was abandoned and later replaced with the more sensible Tri-lock

[Socalfmf]

I know my micros work great ( that is when we actually have to use them ) and once we get the Direct to Screen I really hope we do NOT have to use them at all...

sam

[mjrprint]

I know my micros work great ( that is when we actually have to use them ) and once we get the Direct to Screen I really hope we do NOT have to use them at all...

sam

You will.

[ZooCity]

mhm has a concept along those lines in the auto reg machines they offer. no lasers, it uses a servo driven zero out  and mirrored movement process on the micros to do it I believe.  they all start at true zero, you put screens in the clamps (remember those are pinned screens that are held identically on each head), adjust screen two to al ign with a test print from one, hit the auto reg, and every other heads micros imitate that movement.  when done you hit a command and zero them back out.

never heard of how it works in real life but a nice concept.I wholeheartedly support having a true zero on presses in any case

Rich, so you don't think theres any room for improvement from the current m&r micros?  I know they ain't broke necessarily but it sounds like at least a few of us would like to see them fixed.

[3Deep]

Sam, bruther just give it up, your going to have to use micros unless you trap your art heavy..even with the DTS your going to get, cuz every screen is not the same theres always a little something off.  I use newmans and yes they are close but not 100%.

Darryl