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Offline mjrprint

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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
Lot of Shaeuwns become screenprinters. Weird.


Gerry we typically use hardener on anything over 150 pieces or so, or if
the design is tricky or warrants it. Sort of a gut feel thing, and cheap insurance.
I have not seen Aquasol (properly post/exposed) degrade from any quantity
of discharge.

I suspect part of the reason is the softer squeegees and lower angle used with
waterbased places less physical stress on the stencil.

Both emulsion and hardener come from Screen Printers Resource.

Also, I still have the exhaust stack for your dryer here. Just found it yesterday if you want
it.
Cool and hell yes I want it! Do you know how it is to run discharge in a 800 sq ft shop without exhausting the dryer in 95 degree weather? LOL!

Whoa that has to be brutal!! Especially on the sinuses.


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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 10:48:13 AM »
We ran the gambit, of every emulsion out there for WB. Our final choice for long pot life, clean detailed stencils, even for halftones, long lasting on the press, and easy usage in coating as well as reclaiming, Ulano 925 WR. Expose, dry, spray both sides and wipe with CCI Harden X, for extra dotting of the I's and crossing of the t's, we will set in the sun for a few mins and have zero issues during runs. For block out, we found Kiwo Block Out WR has worked the best, and saves in the long run by not using your emulsion for blocking out. It dry's fast, does not need to be exposed and it lasts on press with no break down. We recently did a 1200 piece wet on wet Water based, and discharge job, had no break down of the emulsion on either screens, after job, washed out, inspected stencils and everything was still in tacked. Same expose method, block out, harden, post expose for us using CCI hybrid, Saati WR, Chroma line CPTex, and a couple others, all broke down after about 400 prints and we found ourselves having to burn duplicate set ups to get through jobs. Now with the Ulano 925 WR, no problems. I order it from Valley Litho, it's like 56 bucks a gallon vs high pricing at other Ulano dealers. Ulano 925 WR and using CCI discharge base, and CCI White Discharge has made printing Discharge welcome in our shop now!!!

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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2012, 12:45:13 PM »
We ran the gambit, of every emulsion out there for WB. Our final choice for long pot life, clean detailed stencils, even for halftones, long lasting on the press, and easy usage in coating as well as reclaiming, Ulano 925 WR. Expose, dry, spray both sides and wipe with CCI Harden X, for extra dotting of the I's and crossing of the t's, we will set in the sun for a few mins and have zero issues during runs. For block out, we found Kiwo Block Out WR has worked the best, and saves in the long run by not using your emulsion for blocking out. It dry's fast, does not need to be exposed and it lasts on press with no break down. We recently did a 1200 piece wet on wet Water based, and discharge job, had no break down of the emulsion on either screens, after job, washed out, inspected stencils and everything was still in tacked. Same expose method, block out, harden, post expose for us using CCI hybrid, Saati WR, Chroma line CPTex, and a couple others, all broke down after about 400 prints and we found ourselves having to burn duplicate set ups to get through jobs. Now with the Ulano 925 WR, no problems. I order it from Valley Litho, it's like 56 bucks a gallon vs high pricing at other Ulano dealers. Ulano 925 WR and using CCI discharge base, and CCI White Discharge has made printing Discharge welcome in our shop now!!!

Mike

If you look in Valley's catalog, there is an emulsion that they claim is exactly like the  925 WR but the diazo is a powder instead of a liquid -or vise versa-  so there isn't any extra handling charge or something? I think it said it out performs the 925 too. Can't find my catalog. I've got about 15 different emulsions here, I'm going to check out the aqua sol hv next.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 12:57:07 PM »
We ran the gambit, of every emulsion out there for WB. Our final choice for long pot life, clean detailed stencils, even for halftones, long lasting on the press, and easy usage in coating as well as reclaiming, Ulano 925 WR. Expose, dry, spray both sides and wipe with CCI Harden X, for extra dotting of the I's and crossing of the t's, we will set in the sun for a few mins and have zero issues during runs. For block out, we found Kiwo Block Out WR has worked the best, and saves in the long run by not using your emulsion for blocking out. It dry's fast, does not need to be exposed and it lasts on press with no break down. We recently did a 1200 piece wet on wet Water based, and discharge job, had no break down of the emulsion on either screens, after job, washed out, inspected stencils and everything was still in tacked. Same expose method, block out, harden, post expose for us using CCI hybrid, Saati WR, Chroma line CPTex, and a couple others, all broke down after about 400 prints and we found ourselves having to burn duplicate set ups to get through jobs. Now with the Ulano 925 WR, no problems. I order it from Valley Litho, it's like 56 bucks a gallon vs high pricing at other Ulano dealers. Ulano 925 WR and using CCI discharge base, and CCI White Discharge has made printing Discharge welcome in our shop now!!!

Mike

If you look in Valley's catalog, there is an emulsion that they claim is exactly like the  925 WR but the diazo is a powder instead of a liquid -or vise versa-  so there isn't any extra handling charge or something? I think it said it out performs the 925 too. Can't find my catalog. I've got about 15 different emulsions here, I'm going to check out the aqua sol hv next.

We have used both the Aquasol HV and Ulano and they both work great. No breakdown on the Ulano so far. With discharge it pays to spend the extra coin on the best emulsion you can buy that works for you. If you miss a breakdown and it does not get caught until the other end of the dyer you just lost whatever you saved on a low cost substitute.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2012, 01:09:45 PM »
Valley has never charged us extra fees for the Ulano 925wr with the gel.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2012, 01:18:53 PM »
I figured they wouldn't but they said something about a UPS handling fee or something, I'll dig it up if I can remember. I found it odd. Love Vally though, great prices.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »
I order our inkjet film, the Bab's film from them, and on those orders, I order any Union inks that we use since they are quite cheaper in price than any local distrubitor of Union, and then the Ulano 925. I want to say my last order with them was 2 packs of film, a 2 gallons of ink, and 2 gals of Ulano, the freight was like 25 bucks. That 25 bucks in freight was about the price difference in the cost of Union Maxopaque Scarlet red from Vally vs Tubelite. It makes it worth it. Not to mention the film. I love the Bab's film, $95 for 100 sheet packs of 17"x22" vs $150.00 or more for other 100 packs of the same size film. The Babs film works great with epson printers.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 08:46:45 PM »
I order our inkjet film, the Bab's film from them, and on those orders, I order any Union inks that we use since they are quite cheaper in price than any local distrubitor of Union, and then the Ulano 925. I want to say my last order with them was 2 packs of film, a 2 gallons of ink, and 2 gals of Ulano, the freight was like 25 bucks. That 25 bucks in freight was about the price difference in the cost of Union Maxopaque Scarlet red from Vally vs Tubelite. It makes it worth it. Not to mention the film. I love the Bab's film, $95 for 100 sheet packs of 17"x22" vs $150.00 or more for other 100 packs of the same size film. The Babs film works great with epson printers.
you should try brad from maverick graphics for your ink jet film. great product and sevice.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 08:52:00 AM »
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you should try brad from maverick graphics for your ink jet film. great product and sevice.
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I'll check him out for sure brotha!

ps---lovin your personal text!! Amen brotha!!!

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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 09:19:47 AM »
x2 for Brad. . I've gone through about 4-6 boxes of his film. . .cool guy too.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2012, 09:52:24 AM »
Do y'all remember when waterproof film was $200 for 100, 13x19 sheets?  I pay $85 now.
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2012, 03:23:46 PM »
do you guys have a link for Brad at Maverick, when I googled it, I got male modeling links, don't need those :-\
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2012, 03:47:15 PM »
Thankya!
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Re: Emulsions: The Sequel....What Do YOU Use?!
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2012, 06:44:28 PM »
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