Fast flash white?

[islandtees]

We are currently using Xenon white. Not bad for stand alone or a top white. It is a horrible underbase flashing white.
We have a Cayenne D flash and it still takes to long to flash. I have read this from others but now I can confirm it.
I need a underbase white for fast, auto flashing. I want a white without the puff (WM plastics ultimate white), and is nice and smooth for the top colors.
I found a old gallon of Wilfex Extreme White laying around. Has anyone used it for underbase?
Those with autos, what have you been using?

[Binkspot]

We have been using Wilflex grey underbase cut with Tiger Bright White and their Quick White. Works well for us.

[alan802]

I won't use a white ink that doesn't flash fast. I can recommend a few decent flashing whites.  Triangle Phoenix is decent, qcm 158 & 159, wilflex epic sprint and epic quick, Rutland street fighter and snap white are all above average.  The absolute fastest flashing under base will be what bink said, using a mixture of a decent flashing white ink mixed with wilflex underbase grey, a 50/50 mix to start with until you find the mixture that you like the most.  None of those inks have any noticeable puff in them.

[spotcolorsupply]

I found a old gallon of Wilfex Extreme White laying around. Has anyone used it for underbase?

I know folks that do, but it does have some puff in it...

[Homer]

 We found the 158 or was it the 9? to take a bit longer to flash than our beloved Triangle Phoenix. .it's so hard to tell what's faster than others because of the factors, are your platens warm, hot inside, ac on, and the list goes on. I think the Phoenix has a bit of puff or that bleaching agent in it that gives it a bit of a blue color, whatever it is, we love it. .OP -if you go to Triangle's website, they will send you a free sample. .

http://www.triangleink.com/request-free-sample/

One Stroke had an awesome FF white too. . .

[jasonl]

I used extreme white for years until they came out with buffalo white, it was better, then came quick and it was as good but cheaper.  Used quick white forever.  Currently running Excalibur artic white, but the jury is still out on the results. 

[spotcolorsupply]

I used extreme white for years until they came out with buffalo white, it was better, then came quick and it was as good but cheaper.  Used quick white forever.  Currently running Excalibur artic white, but the jury is still out on the results.

Hopefully it works out for you, if not I understnd. That is why every manufacturer has 10+ whites... Every printer is looking for something different...

Either way.... We will be expanding our options on white more and more...

[alan802]

I found excalibur arctic to be an ok white, but if I remember correctly, it was not as fast to gel as I wanted.  Everything else was good about it though.  I've got my notes on it somewhere and I'll go back and look to see why we never bought any more after the sample.

[jasonl]

thats what i have noticed so far.  but i want to give it a far shake.

[alan802]

I've tried so many whites over the last year, and one thing I have noticed, is the bulk of them are so close in consistency, overall rheology, really all the things we look for in an ink.  That tells me that the ink companies are listening to the printers out there and the shorter bodied, faster flashing, less puffy inks are very popular right now.  I think a year ago the whites were way too short bodied, and now they are slowly coming back to a longer body that doesn't climb the squeegee.  The two rutland inks I've used lately, street fighter and snap are both good, all around whites and I'd recommend them to anyone.  Right now, my guy really likes the triangle phoenix mixed 50/50 with qcm 159.  I'd have to agree with him too, it's a great combo for us and we've had terrific results the past few months with it.  I'm currently on my second gallon of wilflex sprint and I really like it on it's own.  Wilflex warrior was also a good white but as a top/highlight.

I have more than a few inks on my s h i t list but I'll refrain from naming names.  I tried about 8-10 gallons from one manufacturer that really tried their asses off to get me something I liked, but although the inks were names something different, they all performed and looked the same.  I applaud their effort but in the end we couldn't find a good fit.

I liked everything about the xenon, maybe a tad too short bodied, but I could lengthen it with some triangle phoenix, it was just the flash time were a bit long for our taste.  It's bleed resistance was phenomenal though, I tried like hell to fail it with red 50/50 blends, 100% poly, you name it, but it held up to everything I ran at it.  If xenon could get the flash time down then I think I'd revisit it.  We run our flash units at 2 seconds when everything is warmed up, and with a good grey/white mixture that flash time can be down to 1 second with higher mesh counts.

[stitches4815]

It may look good, and print good, but how does it taste?  Yes, I did eat paint chips as a kid.  Why do you ask?

[shirtz]

What is the reasoning behind cutting with the gray wilflex underbase?

[IntegrityShirts]

I'm actually liking my bucket of qcm 109 over the 158. I had read a few negatives along the way about it but I decided to give it a shot and I'm already down to a 1/4 bucket and it has been great directly out of the bucket, no thinning or softening, just stir a couple times and go.  Claims use for cotton only but did great on royal blended hoodies.  Haven't tried 50/50 red yet, but I will be ordering another gallon or five!

Flashes the same as 158 as far as I can tell and fell right in line without me having to premix my 158 to get it going.  I have never tried flash times lower than 3 seconds, two seconds would scare me lol I hate that popping sound!

[MarielAviles]

I would recommend Epic Quick White.

[Binkspot]

What is the reasoning behind cutting with the gray wilflex underbase?

Expensive
IMO straight out of the bucket to thick
IMO to dark straight out of the bucket to end with a bright top white

We have been using the Epic Quick more often lately on dark garments other then black