cmyk angles anyone?

[tonypep]

Curious as to what others use and how they may differ
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[balloonguy]

cyan      37.5
magenta   7.5
yellow      52.5
black      67.50
anywhere from 45 -65 lpi and elliptical dots.

[3Deep]

22.5 for all colors 45 lpi or 55 lpi round dot sometimes but mostly elliptical has worked fine for me

[farmboygraphics]

55 LPI
300 S-Mesh
C - 15 / M - 45 / Y&K - 75
Myself and the customers have always been happy with the results, but I'm not opposed to switching it up.

[blue moon]

22.5

[Sbrem]

I can never seem to settle, 22.5 mostly, but also have good results with 61, 50 - 55 line, elliptical. I have this little 4 x 6 notebook from '93, the formula I have in there is C 15, M 45, Y and K 75. Lastly, and not sure where it came from but, C 22.5,  M 67.5, Y 0, and K 45. The logic for Yellow at 0° was, "the moire won't show".

Steve

[Dottonedan]

I avoid using different angles. No need for them. When you do, it just introduces additional issues we don’t need.  22.5 on all has worked over and over. We even won a 1st place in 4 clr process with 22.5 if that tells us anything.

[balloonguy]

I don't do much cmyk but I may run an old job at 22.5 just to compare the prints... Thanks to all for keeping me honest!

[bimmridder]

Maybe I'm wrong, and correct me if so, but wouldn't mesh count and thread diameter make a difference in angle (Ideal) used?

[blue moon]

Maybe I'm wrong, and correct me if so, but wouldn't mesh count and thread diameter make a difference in angle (Ideal) used?

they absolutely would! but it's a T-shirt for crying out loud! If it looks good from 3 feet away we have done our job well.

pierre

[Dottonedan]

I don't do much cmyk but I may run an old job at 22.5 just to compare the prints... Thanks to all for keeping me honest!

This would be great to see in comparison.


I think really, the only minute benefit of the multiple angles is that when using the multiple angles, it tends to form an ever so slightly better amount of  “detail” in texture and possibly a more controlled intended color as posed to a single angle but I believe that really to be about the color management in your output setups.


Really, when people do cmyk, or want to, they look back at what other people typically do ...and a lot of the angle information with cmyk stems back to paper printing at higher lpi such as 85lpi at a minimum. That’s where we get the idea that you need multiple angles in connection with cmyk “to form this rosette pattern”.


In application, It’s not so much a benefit for apparel in my opinion. We use a much Lower lpi, than one can really benefit from using the rosette patterns (improving texture detail) in mid tones and highlights for 85-130lpi for example...and we have so many other variables to contend with like our garment texture, weave, thickness, saturation, deflection etc.

[Dottonedan]

Maybe I'm wrong, and correct me if so, but wouldn't mesh count and thread diameter make a difference in angle (Ideal) used?

I know I’ve used Saati mesh and have done 4 color process on 350 mesh, 305 mesh, 280 mesh and even on 230 mesh.
I've used 22.5 on all.   One might find that a certain mesh thread diameter might work best for them and may be justified in saying so. I don’t/won’t disagree.


I do believe tho, that a lot of the questions like (will it work on this or that thread best) is purely a result of compensation in your color profiles when doing the RGB to cmyk conversion and then adjusting for any additional gain. It’s the same theory of needing to adjust the conversion when using this ink or that ink brand.  Brands do make a difference.

[bimmridder]

My mistake. Back to my corner.

[farmboygraphics]

Great info, at least for me. I've always used just one on sim process (25 at 55 lpi) and have always thought I had to switch it up for process. I've also wondered if I could get away with it on a 225 mesh if all my 300 were being used and I was in a tight spot. If I ever get some free time I'm going to play around with this.

[blue moon]

My mistake. Back to my corner.

no mistake on your part! it does make a difference and there is a benefit to getting the most out of each parameter, but I believe that squeezing out the last 10% is not visible to the average customer and it is not worth the headache it causes. So in theory, 22.5 is a bad angle as it would hit every other knuckle and would create a moire, but in real life no screen is perfectly square and those dots end up missing most of the knuckles. Similarly, some angles are better for some mesh then the others, but you really have to be working on Andy Anderson level to see those differences consistently. All for something that 99.999999% of the customers are not going to appreciate.
so back to your point, yes, it does make a difference. is it worth it though will depend on how dialed in is your shop. In your case, I believe it is pretty good and might be done without much additional effort. for us that is not the case. we give our customers the 90% and they are happy.

pierre