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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2020, 05:13:06 PM »
Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.


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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2020, 05:21:15 PM »
Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.

Yep, if you're going to use a low bleed on cotton, you need to know for sure that it does not contain bleaching agents.
I always found this promotional article from International Coatings valuable. https://iccink.com/2018/04/26/fabric-discoloration-and-how-to-prevent-it/
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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2020, 06:52:23 PM »
Wilflex Quick white will ghost on certain 100% cotton colors. Ask how we know.
That's a bit scary... How do you know?

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2020, 06:58:14 PM »
Wilflex Quick for everything except Poly

Rutland Super Poly White for Poly

Dirk, I used super poly for years but not like the hand of it. Last year I went to Rutland endurance plus white! Much better!

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2020, 06:58:51 AM »
From the attached file.
Pretest Epic Quick White on light colored or stone washed garments. Avoid stacking printed garments hot because such colors are more prone to color distortion. Fabric and dye characteristics can vary between manufacturers and from dye lot to lot.
That's called ghosting. We have tested quick and found that it will ghost. We tested using a 100% cotton light grey tee, which seems to be the worst color, but there are others.
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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2020, 11:25:35 AM »
From the attached file.
Pretest Epic Quick White on light colored or stone washed garments. Avoid stacking printed garments hot because such colors are more prone to color distortion. Fabric and dye characteristics can vary between manufacturers and from dye lot to lot.
That's called ghosting. We have tested quick and found that it will ghost. We tested using a 100% cotton light grey tee, which seems to be the worst color, but there are others.
Thanks that's good to know. 

How is Sprint white in comparison to Quick white as far as production on press?

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2020, 06:23:41 AM »
Sprint has been our cotton white for a few years now. We like it.

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2020, 09:19:38 AM »
Blends - Wilflex Quick White. Just Got in some of their new Bolt LC White and like it so far. Only thing I have to test and get a feel for is if it can cure at the higher temps for overprint colors in the 300 - 320 range and still hold strong against dye migration.

Cotton - 50/50 Mix of Quick White and Synergy Cotton White.

Poly's - Union Cosmic Poly White ATHP1060, but it's on the chopping block. Don't like the satin finish and used it on some Gildan Tech Performance Tees and bled a little. Need something that stays bright. By the recommendations on here I may try out Rutland Super Poly. I've been seeing that name tossed out quite a bit.
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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2020, 03:16:32 AM »
We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2020, 11:47:52 AM »
We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.

I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot.  I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well.  I print Rio colors on top.  I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs.  I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2020, 11:55:49 AM »
We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.

I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot.  I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well.  I print Rio colors on top.  I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs.  I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.

As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2020, 12:27:11 PM »
As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!

Thanks for that info about the ICC and bleaching agents.  I had one issue with the Cool White on some Port performance shirts (yea, the cheap ones) and it caused a white shadow around the white.  Probably had the dryer up too hot for that style, but everything else is spot on.

Guess I'll sell off the Sprint and just have the Cool White and Performance.  Just saw that I also picked up the ICC All Pro white, which with a catalyst, is good for nylon, but can also be used with powder for good transfers.  Wonder how the All-Pro would work for transfers on cotton and poly/cotton garments. 

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2020, 12:34:05 PM »
btw, be careful with that screen printing product alphabet soup out there, it can be treacherous.
We have
IC -International Coatings, an ink manufacturer
ICC - International Chemical Corporation, auxiliary chemicals for cleaning, etc
CCI - Chemical Consultants Incorporated, emulsions and cleaning chemicals
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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2020, 08:14:10 PM »
We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.

I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot.  I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well.  I print Rio colors on top.  I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs.  I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.

As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
This is from IC`s website in regard to the Cool White
"Do not hot stack cotton shirts" - i assume this is a precaution to avoid any possibility of ghosting.

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Re: Your go-to white plastisol / How many whites?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2020, 09:08:34 PM »
We use both Sprint & Quick White. But I saw that International Coatings have a new white called Cool White. Might get a 5er to see how it compares to the Wilflex whites we currently use.

I switched to the ICC Cool White and like it a lot.  I use it on cotton, cotton blends, triblends, and works very well.  I print Rio colors on top.  I also picked up the ICC Performance Pro white (haven't used it yet) for dri-fit/performance wear - it looks like these two will take care of most of my needs.  I still have some Sprint white that I'll keep handy in case I run into any ghosting, but curing at 295-300 hasn't created any issues.

As noted in the information in link in my previous post, IC low bleed inks do not contain the bleaching agents that contribute to ghosting on white garments. You should be good to go!
This is from IC`s website in regard to the Cool White
"Do not hot stack cotton shirts" - i assume this is a precaution to avoid any possibility of ghosting.

Good catch. looks like Cool, with its lower cure temps, may be a different formula than the low bleeds they had when that article i linked was written years ago.
Might be the time to go back to thinking cotton whites for cotton, and the lower cure temp Cool White for poly blends. Myself, I'm running their Legacy 7014 low bleed (which carries no such warning) on both 50/50 and cotton.
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