Magna Print Killer Base

[im_mcguire]

Anyone here using this?  I just got a sample in, and Im looking to try it out next week.  Just curious if anyone here can give any feedback with using it as a underboss with plastisol top colors.

Thanks all!

[zanegun08]

We have tested it a bit, I think it works great and in side by side testing with changing no settings it made the print look nicer.  The top colors look smoother, less mottling, and good results.

However, the people I work with don't care about quality, more quantity, so it was kind of killed before it ever had a chance unfortunately. (depressingly)

I think it is much easier to use as you only have to manage 1 screen of water base instead of all of them.  I don't have long term wash results, but I think that it is a good product.

Let us know your testing results, I want to try to bring it back to life in our off season.

[im_mcguire]

We have tested it a bit, I think it works great and in side by side testing with changing no settings it made the print look nicer.  The top colors look smoother, less mottling, and good results.

However, the people I work with don't care about quality, more quantity, so it was kind of killed before it ever had a chance unfortunately. (depressingly)

I think it is much easier to use as you only have to manage 1 screen of water base instead of all of them.  I don't have long term wash results, but I think that it is a good product.

Let us know your testing results, I want to try to bring it back to life in our off season.

Thats awesome to hear!  I had a shop just do a larger order for us, and one of my clients loves discharge/waterbase, and they ran a Wilflex Aquaris underboss with plastisol top colors, and it looked and felt amazing.  This was a new product I just heard about, so I wanted to give it a shot.

Yeah, Ill let everyone know once I can get some samples off press.  Ill make sure to upload some side by side photos of plastisol base vs killer base.

[zanegun08]

Wilflex Aquaris underboss with plastisol top colors, and it looked and felt amazing

I've done some testing like that in the past, albeit with Matsui 301 Stretch and had the plastisol colors wash off over time, so I like the idea that the Killer Base is formulated for printing plastisol on top in theory.  But that instance could've came down to under curing, over curing the base, or many other factors.

But adhesion between the water base and oil base inks are important so having something purpose made gives a bit more piece of mind, but still test, wash, test.

[RICK STEFANICK]

We are running 2 10 color designs on Monday using it. I will post results. These are both designs we have ran before using quick white as the base so we will have side by side results using the same colors/ mesh and squeegies to start. I have heard good things but color matching similar to the original print is critical for us. we have sampled all of our retail designs and production has to be dead nuts on.

[im_mcguire]

We are running 2 10 color designs on Monday using it. I will post results. These are both designs we have ran before using quick white as the base so we will have side by side results using the same colors/ mesh and squeegies to start. I have heard good things but color matching similar to the original print is critical for us. we have sampled all of our retail designs and production has to be dead nuts on.

Thats great! Id love to see the results!

[RICK STEFANICK]

We finished our tests of 3 designs. I cannot post them as they are Disney. We substituted our normal base white ( quick) and used the killer base with 3 percent gel retarder.. We dropped the mesh to 200 instead of the 230. 230 is high for HSA. The results were excellent. exact matches to the plastisol base with a little better briteness. SUPER nice hand , not quite discharge but very close. No drying in the screen issues. It works on all fabrics they say other than 100 percent poly but who knows with all the variences there and the posicharge stuff. This stuff is amazing. We will do a second round of testing next week with a 4c process design on darks

[ericheartsu]

We finished our tests of 3 designs. I cannot post them as they are Disney. We substituted our normal base white ( quick) and used the killer base with 3 percent gel retarder.. We dropped the mesh to 200 instead of the 230. 230 is high for HSA. The results were excellent. exact matches to the plastisol base with a little better briteness. SUPER nice hand , not quite discharge but very close. No drying in the screen issues. It works on all fabrics they say other than 100 percent poly but who knows with all the variences there and the posicharge stuff. This stuff is amazing. We will do a second round of testing next week with a 4c process design on darks

we reguarly use HSA on 230s, and 280s! so that's strange to hear you say that 230 is to high.

[RICK STEFANICK]

We finished our tests of 3 designs. I cannot post them as they are Disney. We substituted our normal base white ( quick) and used the killer base with 3 percent gel retarder.. We dropped the mesh to 200 instead of the 230. 230 is high for HSA. The results were excellent. exact matches to the plastisol base with a little better briteness. SUPER nice hand , not quite discharge but very close. No drying in the screen issues. It works on all fabrics they say other than 100 percent poly but who knows with all the variences there and the posicharge stuff. This stuff is amazing. We will do a second round of testing next week with a 4c process design on darks

we reguarly use HSA on 230s, and 280s! so that's strange to hear you say that 230 is to high.

I think maybe the dry heat here in vegas? The 200 gave us a better result. What is your set up with the  Magna killer base? I think the chemistry is different with this product.

[brandon]

We finished our tests of 3 designs. I cannot post them as they are Disney. We substituted our normal base white ( quick) and used the killer base with 3 percent gel retarder.. We dropped the mesh to 200 instead of the 230. 230 is high for HSA. The results were excellent. exact matches to the plastisol base with a little better briteness. SUPER nice hand , not quite discharge but very close. No drying in the screen issues. It works on all fabrics they say other than 100 percent poly but who knows with all the variences there and the posicharge stuff. This stuff is amazing. We will do a second round of testing next week with a 4c process design on darks

we reguarly use HSA on 230s, and 280s! so that's strange to hear you say that 230 is to high.

We are same as Eric. We're you following manufacturer instructions or just going low for trial runs?

[RICK STEFANICK]

Simone was here with Naz Dar and he is a magna tech guy. It was his recommendation to drop the mesh it actually looked great with the original 230 but dropping to a 200 and using a sharp 70/90/70 gave us a little beefyer base and s more vibrant print. Like I said it was day one of testing. We are ordering 30 gallons and will run 50 designs over the next couple weeks and try every combo   I just wanted to post what we did today. Right or wrong that’s what we did today and are happy with the results

[ericheartsu]

we are using matsui, but just today i did around 20 230 screens with HSA, and another 5 or so with 280s. We also do 305 and 355 regularly with matsui hsa.

[brandon]

I don't think there is a right or wrong just whatever works for your shop / client. But good news is if you do need to go higher you can.

[RICK STEFANICK]

Yea we wanted to start with the reccomended 230 we are using the wilflex equalizer system with amazing base for the overprint colors. These jobs were already sampled and approved for production so the goal was to nail what was approved and we needed the beefyer base to do so. We did see a difference in the hand though. We have 70 samples to do next week so we will probably sample using it also and then take your guys recommendation and bump up the mesh

[Maff]

How about wash tests? How did it hold up?
Is the cure time/settings through the dryer different considering it's HSA? 
How did it perform on press with flashing? Did you have to change your flash temps or dwell time?

Quick white is our jam, we love how fast it flashes and so little tak on the next screen.

We keep our plastisol prints separated from our WB/DC/HSA prints since the drying/curing variables are so different.  On a rare occasion we'll do a discharge base with plastisol top colors, but we've had mixed results through extended wash tests.

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