Transfers for Nylon Jackets?

[RICK STEFANICK]

Stretch Litho work just fine and are half the cost of Cad-Printz. I do like the Cad Printz though.  just sayin

[ZooCity]

How does one make a plastisol transfer for nylon, do you skip the catalyst and use a very aggressive adhesive as last down?

[Frog]

How does one make a plastisol transfer for nylon, do you skip the catalyst and use a very aggressive adhesive as last down?

I have an email into FM tech asking this very thing.

[ZooCity]

Cool, let me know what they say. 

[Prince Art]

Throwing away some old samples, and happened across a Nylo-Flex sample from QuickTrans. I've never sourced through this company, much less used this product, so I can't vouch for them. But here's the link in case it helps: https://www.quicktrans.net/descriptions/nyloflex/

[Frog]

Cool, let me know what they say.

Very disappointed. Though I didn't pull rank with the forum, LOL, here's the result:


> Very curious as to what is different on your transfers for nylon (umbrellas, jackets, etc) as the fellow I spoke with on the phone could only tell me that they were plastisol.
> Generally, when we direct point plastisol on nylon, we add a product like Union's Nylobond for increased adhesion (as well as the side effect of lower cure temps due to catalysation.)
>
> -- Andy Manes Frog Prints

 Andy,

Thank you for your interest in our company. We do not share that type of information with our customers, Should you have any further questions in regards to pricing, turn around time or samples please feel free to reach out.

Kind regards,

Ana Iraheta
Sales Consultant
F&M Expressions

[mooseman]

Wow
That could have been said in so many different better ways
Mooseman9

[screenxpress]

He's acting like they are an end-product producer vs. transfer producer and you were asking for their secret formula. 

Do they print directly to substrate as well as sell transfers?

I notice he's a Sales Consultant.  Your question should have gone to a Technical or Product Rep.

[Frog]

Wow
That could have been said in so many different better ways
Mooseman9

Yes, and though perhaps I should have mentioned the interest on our forum in the first place, I responded thusly:
Thanks, but no thanks.
The question of where to find screen printed transfers for nylon jackets had come up on an Industry Forum, TheShirtBoard.
I mentioned you guys, and follow-up turned to this. Our members are fairly knowledgeable and generally pose intelligent, relevant questions.
For what it's worth, I did suggest that samples are usually readily available, so that if the member with the question had a spare jacket, he could test your product.
In and of itself, though, that does not preclude the knowledge of just what they are buying.
If you are using a proprietary ink formula, and are hesitant to give full details, that's understandable, but all we were looking for in an answer is what makes these plastisol transfers different than those we'd get for T shirts.
 It's a shame that it has not been answered.

[Frog]

He's acting like they are an end-product producer vs. transfer producer and you were asking for their secret formula. 

Do they print directly to substrate as well as sell transfers?

I notice he's a Sales Consultant.  Your question should have gone to a Technical or Product Rep.

It did. The email was addressed, via a link they provided, to techsupport@fmexpressions.com

[royster13]

Why would a supplier that is trying to keep a step ahead of their competition reveal any proprietary information?...

I have used FM Expressions for 10+ years with generally good results....As with any supplier they are not perfect but darn close....

[Frog]

Why would a supplier that is trying to keep a step ahead of their competition reveal any proprietary information?...

I have used FM Expressions for 10+ years with generally good results....As with any supplier they are not perfect but darn close....

If that were the case, and it was me who was involved with communications for the company, I would have answered something like "we use a proprietary formula of plastisol that most assuredly adheres well to waterproofed nylon. We are happy to send a sample that we are sure will more than meet your expectations."
Perhaps I'm overly sensitive (a snowflake by today's terms) but what I got felt much more like "yeah, you contacted our tech department, but we don't like giving out technical information, but rather turn it over to sales, who aren't really interested in making a sale.  Screw off!"

[screenxpress]

You summed it up nicely. 

[farmboygraphics]

Well, things seemed have escalated :-) Thank you for all the replies. I passed all of this along to a friend that's in the business but only deals with transfers.

[ZooCity]

I have a hunch that a quality adhesive, printed last down, would do the job.  Wish I had the time to test.

It's a nice advantage of transfer printing that the colors print backwards and you can lay down whatever you want last, as the UB.