Splotchy Discharge

[avogel]

Next Level 6210 Espresso shirts. Customer wanted raw discharge, (bone type color) and also has  Pantone 124 in the design. I ran CCI D Base with 5% activator, flashed then put down Pantone 124 Green Galaxy on top. The discharge is coming out splotchy with pink spots. I thought maybe it wasn't curing all the way, we sent them back thru the dryer and that made no change. I am assuming its a problem with the shirt dye? Is it possible pallets getting to hot or flashing to hot caused this? 

[ericheartsu]

Running shirts back through the dryer doesn't really do to much.

What type of dryer are you running with?

[avogel]

Electric. HotRoqit (Vastex) 54" belt, 3 heat panels. I know gas is ideal, but we have ran quite a bit of discharge with no issues.

[ericheartsu]

When this was run through, how long did it sit in the chamber for? was there another shirt that maybe got laid on top of it?

[avogel]

Belt speed is really slow. In chamber for about 90 seconds. 350 piece job. I can't post the whole design but it is splotchy all over. First 30 -50 shirts looked ok. The blanks were a different shade of brown after those first 50 shirts. I am 90% sure its the shirts, but I want to make sure I am not missing anything.

[kingscreen]

My immediate thought is overdye. Try one of another size and see. We've run into that often with manufacturers that are notorious for overdyes.

[avogel]

The shirts vary in color from size to size. The darker brown shirts are worse than lighter ones. I have to reorder and reprint these shirts. The customer won't accept plastisol. What is the best way to print this and fix this problem? Discharge base, Pantone 124 WB and Offwhite WB top color? I have Green Galaxy mixing bases and pigments and CCI Discharge inks.

[lancasterprinthouse]

The shirts vary in color from size to size. The darker brown shirts are worse than lighter ones. I have to reorder and reprint these shirts. The customer won't accept plastisol. What is the best way to print this and fix this problem? Discharge base, Pantone 124 WB and Offwhite WB top color? I have Green Galaxy mixing bases and pigments and CCI Discharge inks.

It sounds like you’ve done everything correct. Next Level poly/cotton blends just aren’t ideal for discharge. Most likely just a shirt issue. We tried to suggest heather colors from the Canvas 3001 like of a custom wants a poly/cotton heather shirt with discharge. Those shirts have much better discharge results.


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[Frog]

The shirts vary in color from size to size. The darker brown shirts are worse than lighter ones. I have to reorder and reprint these shirts. The customer won't accept plastisol. What is the best way to print this and fix this problem? Discharge base, Pantone 124 WB and Offwhite WB top color? I have Green Galaxy mixing bases and pigments and CCI Discharge inks.

Except for what you've already printed and spoiled, I'd say nix this particular shirt style/color/fabric combo. Easy enough to set the boundaries of what you'll run discharge and what you won't.

[im_mcguire]

This just makes me not like discharge all that much more.  Id love to be a 100% WB shop, but there are so many factors when it comes to garments. 
I dont see how some of the shops do it. Having to eat 350 pieces because some discharged ok, and some did not.  And you only find out once they are through the tunnel.

Ive seen NL3600 black 100% cottons have this same issue...

[Frog]

This just makes me not like discharge all that much more.  Id love to be a 100% WB shop, but there are so many factors when it comes to garments. 
I dont see how some of the shops do it. Having to eat 350 pieces because some discharged ok, and some did not.  And you only find out once they are through the tunnel.

Ive seen NL3600 black 100% cottons have this same issue...

I think there are two ways they can be all waterbased.
1. Really know what shirts are discharge friendly.
2. Use regular waterbased inks on those that aren't.

[im_mcguire]

This just makes me not like discharge all that much more.  Id love to be a 100% WB shop, but there are so many factors when it comes to garments. 
I dont see how some of the shops do it. Having to eat 350 pieces because some discharged ok, and some did not.  And you only find out once they are through the tunnel.

Ive seen NL3600 black 100% cottons have this same issue...

I think there are two ways they can be all waterbased.
1. Really know what shirts are discharge friendly.
2. Use regular waterbased inks on those that aren't.

I guess its because I have clients that just send me shirts to print.  Sometimes it 100% cotton, 50/50, 100 poly, some weird LULU LEMON brand, or a combination of all of the previous listed, plus add in hoodies.
I sometimes wish I was able to tell people what shirts they can print on... Im just not in that spot yet I guess.

[RICK STEFANICK]

My immediate thought is overdye. Try one of another size and see. We've run into that often with manufacturers that are notorious for overdyes.

That is exactly what the problem is. Check the labels it's possible all the sizes are not even made in the same country. I would run like a 75/25 base white mix and see if that eliminates the issue. Not all 6210's discharge consistantly .

[avogel]

Customer supplied the shirts. They are all from Nicaragua. The tagging is a little different tho, so they are different batches for sure. I will try adding some white to the base, then I am going to come over the top with a offwhite color to hopefully get this order done.

Thanks for posting those discharge charts not to long ago! I looked at it and you had Espresso marked "maybe". I tested a couple of shirts yesterday and it went well. I just happen to grab a couple of good ones. NL 6210 Espresso is definitely "maybe".

[lancasterprinthouse]

This just makes me not like discharge all that much more.  Id love to be a 100% WB shop, but there are so many factors when it comes to garments. 
I dont see how some of the shops do it. Having to eat 350 pieces because some discharged ok, and some did not.  And you only find out once they are through the tunnel.

Ive seen NL3600 black 100% cottons have this same issue...

I’ve had issues on 3600s too. I steer clients away from Next Level these days if they’re asking for discharge. If they insist I simply tell them I can’t guarantee the results will be consistent or for that matter, great.



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