short bodied white inks. looking for a suggestions. . .

[ScreenFoo]

I've been a fan of IC's 711--until they went to pthalate compliant formulas.    I'm currently in the same boat, LOL "white of the month club" is a great description.  More like test 5 whites a month now while we're slow. 

The thing that gets me is pretty much exactly what Alan described--squeegee climb, and chunky fill strokes. 

Mr Tees:
I kept thinking maybe an unbalanced reducer would help get the proper print characteristics, but obviously opens another can of worms with production and compliance.   What kind of percentage are you doing? 1-2?

[Mr Tees!!]

...yeah, thats about right, probably 2%. Ive been using it for so long I can literally add a "controlled splash" into a gallon and mix it. I always test the first print from each gallon, though.

[Denis Kolar]

we had a chance to test the Phoenix. It is exactly what we were looking for, but it has phthalates. 
We did get a bucket of the PF to try out and will give it a shot this week. First impression just by looking into the bucket, it exhibits all the right signs. The ink is definitely not gooey like most other PF inks we tried.

pierre

Pierre, how do you like StreetFighter? I got mine in today, and getting ready to use it on my next job. I ordered regular cotton version of the ink, and also they have sent me a small sample of a LB version to try.
Do you have a certificate for these? If not, I will contact Rutland and ask them to send me one. These are Phthalate free inks.
I was kind of getting tired of waiting for Xenon certificate and decided to switch white inks.

[blue moon]

we had a chance to test the Phoenix. It is exactly what we were looking for, but it has phthalates. 
We did get a bucket of the PF to try out and will give it a shot this week. First impression just by looking into the bucket, it exhibits all the right signs. The ink is definitely not gooey like most other PF inks we tried.

pierre

Pierre, how do you like StreetFighter? I got mine in today, and getting ready to use it on my next job. I ordered regular cotton version of the ink, and also they have sent me a small sample of a LB version to try.
Do you have a certificate for these? If not, I will contact Rutland and ask them to send me one. These are Phthalate free inks.
I was kind of getting tired of waiting for Xenon certificate and decided to switch white inks.

I like the streefighter we tried. It was the Low Bleed version. It printed nice and it had a really good balance between short bodied and squeegee climbing (it sheared nicely and it did not climb). We are not going with it though as it does not have (or not enough) puff in it. The coverage we were getting was just not opaque enough.
After talking to several ppl yesterday, I believe our need for puff is related to the lack of rubber on the MHM plattens. Nothing wrong with the ink, just it does not print as well on the bare metal.

As far as the certificate, I do not have one. Make sure you are not using those to stay compliant, as they are not what CPSIA is calling for. They are a "nice to have" rather than a must have.

pierre

[tonypep]

Streetfighter good.....I use the LB on everything. Good price also.

[Denis Kolar]

As far as the certificate, I do not have one. Make sure you are not using those to stay compliant, as they are not what CPSIA is calling for. They are a "nice to have" rather than a must have.
pierre

I like to have at least something if there is ever a question about the shirts I print/sell.

Tony Chapman from Rutland sent me their statement which is now posted on the forum. Real certificates will be on a batch basis.

[Frog]

How is Streetfighter for manual printing? Anyone have any experience?

[Denis Kolar]

How is Streetfighter for manual printing? Anyone have any experience?

I will let you know soon

[alan802]

We are using the Streetfighter LB right now.  I got a sample of Excalibur the other day and it was ok.  Not good enough to make a switch from SF. 

Pierre, if you are close to finding the right white, why not just add a little puff additive till you get to where you want it?  That's basically what we are doing with the SF.  I'm adding a slight bit of some really opaque, long bodied poly white from Rutland to the SF to make a pretty killer white ink.  It's an easy mixture that I'll make with every new gallon we open and it takes a few minutes and I'm done.

[blue moon]

We are using the Streetfighter LB right now.  I got a sample of Excalibur the other day and it was ok.  Not good enough to make a switch from SF. 

Pierre, if you are close to finding the right white, why not just add a little puff additive till you get to where you want it?  That's basically what we are doing with the SF.  I'm adding a slight bit of some really opaque, long bodied poly white from Rutland to the SF to make a pretty killer white ink.  It's an easy mixture that I'll make with every new gallon we open and it takes a few minutes and I'm done.

we might be going that route, but would like to check all my options first. There is an off chance that we'll find something that works without modifying and I'd like to pursue that before committing to mixing. We have Rick Roth coming in for a consulting trip in next few weeks, and I'll have him look at what we are doing. This way I'll know we are not just chasing a pipe dream.

pierre

[alan802]

I tried over 30 different whites in 2011, yes, there are actually more than that and I didn't try them all, but I can say with more than a little confidence, that there isn't one out there that I really love straight out of the bucket.  I've just given up and have decided to find an ink that has like 90% of what I'm looking for, then another ink that has that additional 10% that I need, then mixing those 2 inks together to get my formula.  That Rutland poly is perfect to mix with those really short bodied inks.  I think mixing that poly with the qcm 159 might give me a really badass white but I don't have any 159 in the shop right now.

[ebscreen]

Hey Andy, have you tried the (Epic) Quick? I admittedly haven't tried it manually
but I used to love the regular Quick through a 180, and the Epic seems even softer on the auto.

Also in local thread hijacking news I convinced Denco to bring in some more CCI stuff.

[JBLUE]

Hey Andy, have you tried the (Epic) Quick? I admittedly haven't tried it manually
but I used to love the regular Quick through a 180, and the Epic seems even softer on the auto.

Also in local thread hijacking news I convinced Denco to bring in some more CCI stuff.

Quick prints really nice on a manual. We use both Quick and the Sprint White. The Sprint is awesome on on the auto. I have run about 20 gallons of it and I really like it. We have used Quick White for a while now and the Sprint Prints better in my opinion straight out of the bucket.

[Homer]

P -did you ever try the PF Phoenix white? I have a sample quart,  have yet to crack it open. We still like the phoenix, it's expensive, but worth it. We will see how it holds up in the cold weather we are getting here, so far it's really creamy, shears like a magic and I am sure the new rollers are helping out too.

[Frog]

Hey Andy, have you tried the (Epic) Quick? I admittedly haven't tried it manually
but I used to love the regular Quick through a 180, and the Epic seems even softer on the auto.

Also in local thread hijacking news I convinced Denco to bring in some more CCI stuff.

I assume that Epic is their compliant ink.
Never Quick, for the last couple of years, I have used their Artist on cotton.
However, the last order I made from another Wilflex distributor didn't have it or Wilflex's suggested alternative (whatever it was, so I went with the Xenon for both 50/50 and cotton.
Once I put the whack on it with reducer or soft hand base, it doesn't climb as badly, but I still prefer getting inks locally or at least from someone with a reasonable minimum for shipping.

I was happy with IC Low Vis 774, but it's discontinued. Two attempts at obtaining samples of their suggested alternatives were fruitless.
Perhaps I'll also look into CCI plastisol if that comes into Denco.