Automatic Presses

[ffokazak]

My CHIIID matches my Bimmer perfectly

[screenprintguy]

Yep, a lowly Chevy owner here, so I have M&R.

I was gonna say, Toyota owner, and M&R shop. Heck, Dirkdiggler is a Honda and Volvo driver, M&R Shop, and Graphic Disorder has a dam Ferrari, yeah the actual car, & M&R shop. Need a different analogy. More like, find what fits you and your needs. First time automatic owner, may actually have to test the waters, but what ever you do, build a relationship with a company, and then loyalty speaks volumes! I can't see anyone at this time offering a support system like the one M&R has in place. There are enough people here on the forum with plenty of experiences. Find what you feel is best for you, not what someone else, no matter what they run or promote, "think" would be best for you.

[blue moon]

Yep, a lowly Chevy owner here, so I have M&R.

I was gonna say, Toyota owner, and M&R shop. Heck, Dirkdiggler is a Honda and Volvo driver, M&R Shop, and Graphic Disorder has a dam Ferrari, yeah the actual car, & M&R shop. Need a different analogy. More like, find what fits you and your needs. First time automatic owner, may actually have to test the waters, but what ever you do, build a relationship with a company, and then loyalty speaks volumes! I can't see anyone at this time offering a support system like the one M&R has in place. There are enough people here on the forum with plenty of experiences. Find what you feel is best for you, not what someone else, no matter what they run or promote, "think" would be best for you.

This is not a rule, but an approximation for personal affinities. Clearly our tastes can be different between US vs foreign made, especially when you throw service into the mix, but I still believe that if only limited amount of information is given, this approximates a good answer.

Pierre

[3Deep]

going to a few shows will help to, you get to see the press in action, most of the top brands will have a press there.

[Rob Coleman]

If you can make your way to LB next week, they will all be there en masse!


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[fishman008]

I think Pierre is spot on with his analogy. Toyota and Honda, are foreign cars, but based on there track record, very dependable and have strong sales to back it up. And have great resale value, Just like M&R. Just my 2 cents. 

[alan802]

I think the analogy with car brands and auto presses has been debunked when it comes to actual owners and what they run, but I guess it can still be correct in theory.  Toyota and Lexus owner here, RPM and M&R presses.  These two machines are so completely different in most of their ways, but in what I consider the main reason why we chose the M&R this time around, it's EXACTLY the same in regards to the printing system.  They both use 4 chopper cylinders and a carriage rail and there is no difference in how the machines get the ink from the screen to the shirt.  So with all of the differences in how the machines are used by the operator (buttons, switches, etc.) when it comes down to it the most important factor is identical from the M&R to the RPM.  So I don't really think there are any analogies that really work here.  And I'm a big "analogy type of guy", I use them all the time, mostly in a comedic way but still, I think they are a great way to explain and teach things.  But it just doesn't work in this debate.

[GraphicDisorder]

I have a 2017 Ferrari 488 GTB, 15 BMW M3, 15 Chevy 2500HD Diesel, and a 13 Dodge Ram. I have a M&R Press.

[im_mcguire]

Who really cares what anybody drives vs. what press they run? I run a Workhorse and print F**king awesome shirts! 

[blue moon]

I think the analogy with car brands and auto presses has been debunked when it comes to actual owners and what they run, but I guess it can still be correct in theory.  Toyota and Lexus owner here, RPM and M&R presses.  These two machines are so completely different in most of their ways, but in what I consider the main reason why we chose the M&R this time around, it's EXACTLY the same in regards to the printing system.  They both use 4 chopper cylinders and a carriage rail and there is no difference in how the machines get the ink from the screen to the shirt.  So with all of the differences in how the machines are used by the operator (buttons, switches, etc.) when it comes down to it the most important factor is identical from the M&R to the RPM.  So I don't really think there are any analogies that really work here.  And I'm a big "analogy type of guy", I use them all the time, mostly in a comedic way but still, I think they are a great way to explain and teach things.  But it just doesn't work in this debate.

the point here was that if I have 15 seconds to suggest a press and no other information, it is as good of a barometer as anything else. If more detail is available, than it takes precedence. I would never suggest that somebody should buy an M&R because they drive a Ford if proper data is available.
This makes the I drive this and print on this irrelevant to a degree as those decisions were made on the shop needs, not on a single question without any data. . .

pierre

[mk162]

What if you drive a Trabant? 

[GraphicDisorder]

What if you ride the city bus?

[Printficient]

My answer to you would be what are you trying to accomplish with the auto?  What size print run would be your average?  The greater the number the average run the more choices you have.  The lower the number of your average run the fewer choices.  Which presses allow for employee turn over with minimum training on set up and operation?  What is needed to optimize the output of the press?  Do you have a good grasp of the scheduling and pre press for your new auto?

[blue moon]

What if you drive a Trabant?

silver press?

[bimmridder]

Don't forget service, support, parts availability, warranty, reputation etc. To me those may be more important than how fast the machine can turn. But that's just my opinion from my shop.