Wilflex white Lava

[Shanarchy]

I ordered in a gallon to sample it. Printing on a Roq automatic with 150/48 S mesh

I feel it has the best properties/characteristics of any white I have used. Floods nicely, clears the screen easily (one stroke at a print speed of 10), doesn't climb the squeegee, and priced right.

But I'm not happy with the opacity. I tried a 65/90/65, 70/90/70, and 80 duro. Squeegee Angles of 5, 7, and 10. Speed down to 7. Double stroking. But seem to get the same result regardless. As of now I am only seeing this as a good underbase white. I'm finding I need to do a P-F-P-F-P to get what I consider a good white.

I'm currently using IC Legacy white. 70/90/70, one stroke, speed of 10 and get a real nice white P-F-P. But the Wilflex has much better properties (the IC does climb and needs a little more carding). For those of you using the Wilfelx Lava and are getting good results, any advice on what to do differently? I would really love to be able to make this our new white.

[Ross_S]

You do realize that is a re-branded wilflex ink?  I think it's the amazing white from Wilflex

[ZooCity]

Yeah, buy some Quick White instead.   The IC Legacy is on par with it but not consistent bucket to bucket. 

I feel like each co makes a great white and then all the others are watered down versions for shops that won't invest in their ink. 

And yes, every supply ryonet sells is rebranded, they are not a mfg. after all.  So long as the pricing and product work, all good with me but can be a little circuitous when troubleshooting.

[ebscreen]

Wait, so Wilflex Lava White is really Wilflex Amazing White? I get Ryonet rebranding but why would Wilflex do that?

I've got a gallon sitting here that we've yet to try out. Gonna give it the old sniff test.

[Shanarchy]

I was under the impression that the white was a different white, specifically for Ryonet. I believe Danny said he helped R&D it.

And I am guessing that their lava colors are basically stock colors of the Rio line. But that is a complete guess and I could be completely wrong.

[dirkdiggler]

Wait, so Wilflex Lava White is really Wilflex Amazing White? I get Ryonet rebranding but why would Wilflex do that?

I've got a gallon sitting here that we've yet to try out. Gonna give it the old sniff test.

Because they are Ryonet!  That's what I was told.  I was also told that the lava series is just a match of IC stock colors?  Who knows?

[Colin]

The Lava Low Bleed is what Danny is helping formulate. (Among other products)

Considering my SFLB woe's.... I hope its ready soon!

[kingscreen]

Lava White is not Amazing White.  It is a proprietary formula Wilflex is manufacturing exclusively for Ryonet.

From another thread:

...have Mark send you a gallon of the low bleed lava. We helped tweak on this formula for a couple months prior to them finalizing it. We used to run quick white, then switched to legacy as most of the time it performed really well until we had batch issues. But the low bleed lava I feel is a better version of the best batches of legacy with the consistency that wilflex is known for. We've gone through about 40 gallons of low bleed in the last few weeks and its been working really good here. We can run the stroke speed from 8-10(full speed) and the ink drops through the mesh nicely. If you like the good batches of legacy and have had good luck with quick white then the low bleed lava should be a great option for you. I have been getting lots of emails/texts from shops that are really digging it.

[screenprintguy]

I ordered in a gallon to sample it. Printing on a Roq automatic with 150/48 S mesh

It feel it has the best properties/characteristics of and white I have used. Floods nicely, clears the screen easily (one stroke at a print speed of 10), doesn't climb the squeegee, and priced right.

But I'm not happy with the opacity. I tried a 65/90/65, 70/90/70, and 80 duro. Squeegee Angles of 5, 7, and 10. Speed down to 7. Double stroking. But seem to get the same result regardless. As of now I am only seeing this as a good underbase white. I'm finding I need to do a P-F-P-F-P to get what I consider a good white.

I'm currently using IC Legacy white. 70/90/70, one stroke, speed of 10 and get a real nice white P-F-P. But the Wilflex has much better properties (the IC does climb and needs a little more carding). For those of you using the Wilfelx Lava and are getting good results, any advice on what to do differently? I would really love to be able to make this our new white.

Iv'e been trying different whites and still can't find one to beat legacy in opacity, underbasing with a 225 s mesh, holding 8 colors on top with no lift off, unless one is a very large white open spot, but even that it holds very nice, fiber matt down, flashing, and over all feel. Not to mention, having used it for a while now, old shirts in personal use, seeing how it holds up very very nice over a few years time--- also important. I'd give the lava a test but I've been warned to not expect the same opacity, which rules it out right away, but I'd still have to try for myself in our system to see. It's hard to beat legacy.

[RICK STEFANICK]

Yeah, buy some Quick White instead.   The IC Legacy is on par with it but not consistent bucket to bucket. 

I feel like each co makes a great white and then all the others are watered down versions for shops that won't invest in their ink. 

And yes, every supply ryonet sells is rebranded, they are not a mfg. after all.  So long as the pricing and product work, all good with me but can be a little circuitous when troubleshooting.

hey Zoo, are you having opacity issues with the quick these days? It just doesnt seem have the super sweet coverage and optical brightness it had 6 months ago.

[mk162]

Does anybody else find inconsistencies in ink to be very annoying and counter productive?  I had a 5er or onestroke seize up on me and I emailed our rep and they made it right. 

I rarely have had a problem with wilflex whites, the last one was about 20 years ago.  I expect inks to print the same from bucket to bucket.  It's why I pay a premium for ink(not that Wilflex is that premium, but they aren't the cheapest).

[ZooCity]

Yeah, buy some Quick White instead.   The IC Legacy is on par with it but not consistent bucket to bucket. 

I feel like each co makes a great white and then all the others are watered down versions for shops that won't invest in their ink. 

And yes, every supply ryonet sells is rebranded, they are not a mfg. after all.  So long as the pricing and product work, all good with me but can be a little circuitous when troubleshooting.

hey Zoo, are you having opacity issues with the quick these days? It just doesnt seem have the super sweet coverage and optical brightness it had 6 months ago.

No major opacity issues or big changes in on press performance.  We did have a nasty set of NL 6210's bleed on us though and we have done 10s of thousands of those shirts with quick and no issues.  I'm thinking the dye methods have changed as the migration was yellow.  Can't tell if it's the shirts or if something changed in the Quick.  Wilflex didn't have any other reports on the lot that we used on that run.  We have been underbasing with Performance White to play it safe.   I love Quick, don't want to give it up, but need a little more security. 

And yes, I hate inconsistent ink, especially white and that's why I use Wilflex. 

[screenprintguy]

Yeah, buy some Quick White instead.   The IC Legacy is on par with it but not consistent bucket to bucket. 

I feel like each co makes a great white and then all the others are watered down versions for shops that won't invest in their ink. 

And yes, every supply ryonet sells is rebranded, they are not a mfg. after all.  So long as the pricing and product work, all good with me but can be a little circuitous when troubleshooting.

hey Zoo, are you having opacity issues with the quick these days? It just doesnt seem have the super sweet coverage and optical brightness it had 6 months ago.

Few years straight of Legacy and never have inconsistency. Quick on the other hand, very inconsistent, one of the reasons I got away from it. In fact, I was given a free 5 of quick to give it a try again, no comparison what so ever in under basing, opacity, and dam it seemed to just disappear faster than a 5 of Legacy. I will say, we get our Legacy through Spot Color supply, not sure if how a supplier stores it has anything to do with it, but they get it direct from IC, it's always creamy always the same for us. Got a free 5 of Amazing bright white a couple months ago, not even half way through it, I said screw that, back to Legacy. I guess everyone is different, but for me, I haven't found a white to do what it's done. I will give Lava a try though for personal experience and to know how it does.

[ZooCity]

Distro appears to matter with Legacy.  We got a sample bucket that sucked, hard.  Next bucket was great, like night and day difference.  I like Legacy better than Quick as a UB as the proprietary blowing agent in Quick can tend to make tiny pock marks/craters in your ub if you lay a lot down and flash with a quartz.  Danny helped us check it out as a work around when that issue popped up with Quick so we do keep a little bit on hand.

[screenprintguy]

That was a big issue we had with most too that pin tip sized pot holes, and with Leg we stopped having that. That is one thing the new Rutland Peak has is a very very smooth finish for underbasing, I just didn't think it compared to the Legacy. I think my rep Ginny from Ryo is coming tomorrow, I'll ask her to send us a sample of the Lava to give it an honest try, who knows, we may find it better.