USA Elections, whaddya think?

[bulldog]

Slander what?

I'm saying that I couldn't sleep at night knowing people were literally dying at the cost of my second yacht.
I know that makes me a bleeding heart liberal but I guess I'm okay with that. At least I can sleep.

And you?

Me personally? No, I would not do that. I guess you don't remember me calling him a douche. I know you think you're the moral superior but there are non-liberals who aren't evil.

I guess me not casting judgement on someone else doesn't make me a bleeding heart liberal and you know what? I'm ok with that.

[ebscreen]

I guess you don't remember me calling him a douche.

I guess me not casting judgement on someone else doesn't make me a bleeding heart liberal and you know what? I'm ok with that.

Wait what?

And how do you know what I think? When have I ever said anything about being superior? I know full well that
caring for others even to the detriment of your wallet is an underdog loser position. The worth of a man is clearly
judged on his bank account and how many megatons his nukes are.


I do however think it's foolish to believe that without regulation all people would behave themselves. There will
always be someone willing to chit in the punch bowl for a few dollars. And when it comes down to it your attitude is
what allows it. Absolute freedom at all costs. We've already been through that and paid that price and yet here we
are signing up for it again.

[Sbrem]

They're US elections, Pierre--we're not supposed to think.

FWIW, I just popped in to clarify something--we are not a democracy, we are a democratic republic.
I'll leave it up to reader exercise to understand how important that is in the current context.

Exactly correct...

Steve

[bulldog]

I guess you don't remember me calling him a douche.

I guess me not casting judgement on someone else doesn't make me a bleeding heart liberal and you know what? I'm ok with that.

Wait what?

And how do you know what I think? When have I ever said anything about being superior? I know full well that
caring for others even to the detriment of your wallet is an underdog loser position. The worth of a man is clearly
judged on his bank account and how many megatons his nukes are.


I do however think it's foolish to believe that without regulation all people would behave themselves. There will
always be someone willing to chit in the punch bowl for a few dollars. And when it comes down to it your attitude is
what allows it. Absolute freedom at all costs. We've already been through that and paid that price and yet here we
are signing up for it again.

Well, you sp-ell-ed things out for me slowly because you apparently think I'm stupid. You want to force your ideologies on everyone else because obviously it is the better way. And you've called me selfish for not agreeing with you. You may not have outright said it, but you sure imply you're superior. It's a characteristic I see a lot from the left.

Whereas I would like to see people have a choice in their lives. (Ironic since most on the left are pro-choice but I guess only when it suits them.) But I guess that makes me the evil capitalist re-re.

Oh, and BTW, I hope one day you realize the government has been shitting in your punch bowl over and over and you just keep gladly drinking it.

[Northland]

To all the liberals.  Name one thing the government does better than the private sector.  And you can't name something OUR government has made it illegal to do in the private sector either...like mail delivery, road construction(this is usually contracted out anyway), military, etc.

I'll take a stab at that (and I guess I would qualify as a liberal by many folks standards).... I noticed you used all caps when you spelled "OUR" government and that's where rub is. I would tend to agree with your statement... "OUR" government hoses up plenty.

Let's talk healthcare.... I feel your pain there brother, because I also have a monthly premium of $1500 & a family deductible in the $13,000 range (if I remember correctly... you have a similar burden).
 
But, for the sake of argument, let's assume we had two parties that were really interested in the welfare of the people. Over the last 8 years (6 of those under a Republican congress) OUR government could have moved us towards a NHS (national health service) similar to the British model which is funded by General Taxation (the same way we fund Defense and many other government programs). Say what you want about "socialized medicine"... you won't find many Brits who would trade their healthcare for ours:
1) It's not tied to employment, which levels the playing field for employers big and small.
2) Healthcare costs run about 50% of what we spend (in total)
3) The most vulnerable are taken care of (AKA children)
4) It's not rocket science to implement... but we would need a way to transition to that model (maybe the ACA offers some role ?? not sure)

So while I don't take exception to your statement, in regards to "OUR" government fuc#ing things up .... I think we should expect more of our elected officials (where healthcare is concerned). Even if the ACA had never been implemented.... our healthcare system was already broken (for a large portion of the population anyway). I know many people would disagree with me based on a preconceived idea about "socialized" medicine.... but many countries have solved this issue (to the betterment of their citizens).

To sum up.... only government can move the needle on this. Big corporate medicine & Pharma won't ever make healthcare "affordable" for the nation. They will use the "Free" market system to be competitive with one another... but that's a long way from "affordable".

So, my right wing friends, if you tend to disagree with most liberals and their viewpoints... I apologize to you for expressing my opinion.
But, I know many of you have the same concerns I do.... it's just a matter of how do we work together to solve those problems (we didn't see much of that in congress, over the last 6 years).

[bulldog]

So, my right wing friends, if you tend to disagree with most liberals and their viewpoints... I apologize to you for expressing my opinion.
But, I know many of you have the same concerns I do.... it's just a matter of how do we work together to solve those problems (we didn't see much of that in congress, over the last 6 years).

Hey, at least you don't come across as a smug ass trying to force feed your opinions on others. So thanks for that. While I don't necessarily agree with some of what you said, this is definitely a much better way to have a useful conversation.

If you could get the government to cut back on their massive spending (this is a problem with both sides) then maybe you would have room for something like this. (Still would prefer optional...like as in you can use the USPS or UPS.) Doubt it though, too many backs to scratch.

[Frog]

Just as a note.
Over in the Controversy Cage (the section requiring an "opt-in" usually used for potentially inflammatory discourse) there is a new thread inviting our friends in other countries with universal healthcare to chime in on how it's working for them.
 
PM me if you wish to be added.