USA Elections, whaddya think?

[ebscreen]

That insurance companies are no longer able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions is an effing stellar thing
in my opinion. Why on effing earth would you want to repeal that? Who does that benefit?

[bulldog]

So I found http://www.uhone.com you can get short term health insurance. Doesn't meet Obamacare requirements so you'd have to pay a penalty.

But I can get a plan for my wife and I with a 5k deductible (you can do more or less) for 6 months for $158.10 a month. Even if you pay the penalty you still come out $324 a month. So you save $200+ a month and get slightly less terrible insurance.

What in da fuk?

[GraphicDisorder]

You guys aren't actually arguing that this version of health care is the best we can do are you? We get it some good things are there with Obama Care and I'd agree with that. But its far from even remotely good and for many people becoming too expensive.

[bulldog]

That insurance companies are no longer able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions is an effing stellar thing
in my opinion. Why on effing earth would you want to repeal that? Who does that benefit?

Specifically it benefits people that take care of themselves.

Don't act like every single person with a pre-existing illness was denied coverage. If you were part of a group plan it didn't matter in most cases.

It was just the people getting self insured, the same ones getting the shaft now.

[bulldog]

You guys aren't actually arguing that this version of health care is the best we can do are you? We get it some good things are there with Obama Care and I'd agree with that. But its far from even remotely good and for many people becoming too expensive.

I think you know where I stand. 

[inkman996]

You guys aren't actually arguing that this version of health care is the best we can do are you? We get it some good things are there with Obama Care and I'd agree with that. But its far from even remotely good and for many people becoming too expensive.

I would never say ACA is great, far from it. It could have been a lot better if it was not regurgitated over and over by the house.

[mimosatexas]

Of course not, but wholesale repealing the ACA will not improve healthcare for anyone.  Premiums will not go down, benefits will not go up, and 10's of millions of people will lose coverage who need it and much of those costs will be covered by our taxes collectively anyway.  Keeping the good parts of the ACA without the mandate aren't realistic either, because that is the one thing insurance companies have absolutely refused to do.  Fixing healthcare is about offering a baseline of care that is collectively paid for and can negotiate costs and control benefits on a massive scale, aka a public option.

I just don't understand why people want to keep health insurance profits at record highs instead of just fixing the freaking system in a way that benefits everyone because it MIGHT mean they pay a little more in "taxes" instead of "premiums".  It's asinine...

[ebscreen]

You guys aren't actually arguing that this version of health care is the best we can do are you? We get it some good things are there with Obama Care and I'd agree with that. But its far from even remotely good and for many people becoming too expensive.

Not in the slightest. But anything that makes insurance company ceo's pissy is a step in the right direction.
Becoming a billionaire at the detriment of your fellow man's health is disgusting in my opinion.
They are now wet in the britches at the promises of the orange one.

I, for one, have no problem paying more if it means that we do better by the health of the whole.

And FWIW, I've never had health care that I would consider even decent. My plan is almost $400 now.
I had BCBS, it sucked. Switched to Kaiser, it sucks. Overall health care in this country seems like
effing mattress salesmen or something.

[ebscreen]

Specifically it benefits people that take care of themselves.

Don't act like every single person with a pre-existing illness was denied coverage. If you were part of a group plan it didn't matter in most cases.

It was just the people getting self insured, the same ones getting the shaft now.

My point being that Joe Bill the roofer in Kentucky who's wife was uninsured and just got diagnosed with cancer is likely
to be screwed and yet's he's wholesale voted for it. I seriously don't get it.

[royster13]

For everyone here that thinks they know what Canada's health care is like and do not even live in their country you should read the link below. Keep in mind it is almost identical to what ACA was supposed to be and accomplish.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php

That article is "on the money"....

[bulldog]

Specifically it benefits people that take care of themselves.

Don't act like every single person with a pre-existing illness was denied coverage. If you were part of a group plan it didn't matter in most cases.

It was just the people getting self insured, the same ones getting the shaft now.

My point being that Joe Bill the roofer in Kentucky who's wife was uninsured and just got diagnosed with cancer is likely
to be screwed and yet's he's wholesale voted for it. I seriously don't get it.

You have a sacrifice the village to save one person kind of mentality.

[mimosatexas]

Specifically it benefits people that take care of themselves.

Don't act like every single person with a pre-existing illness was denied coverage. If you were part of a group plan it didn't matter in most cases.

It was just the people getting self insured, the same ones getting the shaft now.

My point being that Joe Bill the roofer in Kentucky who's wife was uninsured and just got diagnosed with cancer is likely
to be screwed and yet's he's wholesale voted for it. I seriously don't get it.

Yea but Joe Bill the roofer in Kentucky isnt bulldog, so in his opinion he can get freaked 'cause this is America and we look out for ourselves before anyone else or something like that.  Anyway, back to printing since I'm done with my morning emails and artwork...

[ebscreen]

You have a sacrifice the village to save one person kind of mentality.

No, I have the kind of mentality that a civilization is judged on how they do by their least.

[bulldog]

Of course not, but wholesale repealing the ACA will not improve healthcare for anyone.  Premiums will not go down, benefits will not go up, and 10's of millions of people will lose coverage who need it and much of those costs will be covered by our taxes collectively anyway.  Keeping the good parts of the ACA without the mandate aren't realistic either, because that is the one thing insurance companies have absolutely refused to do.  Fixing healthcare is about offering a baseline of care that is collectively paid for and can negotiate costs and control benefits on a massive scale, aka a public option.

I just don't understand why people want to keep health insurance profits at record highs instead of just fixing the freaking system in a way that benefits everyone because it MIGHT mean they pay a little more in "taxes" instead of "premiums".  It's asinine...

So let me get this straight. Many people on the board here (who run their own businesses and are self insured) have said their premiums have quadrupled (for less insurance) since Obamacare has taken affect and you somehow believe they would now be at the same level if Obamacare never happened? Or our taxes would be raised to the point of offsetting it?

Do you just not care about the government reaching into your pocket to take what they want?

At what point can it become too much for you? Because I'm already at too much.

[mk162]

you guys seem to be confusing heathcare with health insurance.

Healthcare in this country is great...access to insurance is terrible.  For lower income people Medicaid has always been there.  I would have been cheaper to expand that program to include high risk folks and raise the max income so that it covers more lower to middle income people.

So the ACA included early 90's ideas.  I doubt it was the way Republicans thought of them as happening.  We put the IRS in charge of policing health insurance.

And I'm sorry I looked it up and yes there were a few republican amendments to make it, but a lot of "technical amendments" which don't change policy, usually only errors.  No repulican amendments that were considered a priority were voted in.  The final bill is not bipartisan.

There were and are ways to protect the most vulnerable without overturning the entire system.  Sadly, this was a power move by democrats to do exactly what they've done for generations with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid..."If you vote for republicans, they will take you XYZ away."  And we are seeing that now with health insurance.