Shop fee/plastisol sucks

[Prints Charming]

Well we use easi-way 701 takes plastisol ink off quick and easy.

[RICK STEFANICK]

Remember though...The clean up may be easier but with discharge there is more waste at the end of runs or even at the end of a shift on unfinished orders. In some cases added exposure times, different taping processes?, Hardner?. There are other costs not associated with plastisol that need to be considered that effect the bottom line. We love waterbase inks but we price with all things considered and that may warrant a price increase over plastisol for your shop instead.

[Sbrem]

I've wondered about this when we do WB, as we're all plastisol... We have almost no request for WB, seriously, next to nothing. So what's so hard about cleaning plastisol out of a screen?


Steve

[Homer]

hijack for a second.

what inks are you guys liking for your multi color wb prints on non dischargable garments? we discharge when we can but I am getting sick of having to go to plastisol because the order has some hoodies mixed in. I'm looking at green galaxy and virus at the moment. I tried cci pure white and it dried up in the mesh way too fast for us... that was brutal.

[Inkworks]

I've wondered about this when we do WB, as we're all plastisol... We have almost no request for WB, seriously, next to nothing. So what's so hard about cleaning plastisol out of a screen?


Steve

My thoughts too, squirt of beany doo and 5 second brush down and rinse.

We have way too may garments being printed that won't discharge to even dream of all WB/DC.

[tonypep]

Remember though...The clean up may be easier but with discharge there is more waste at the end of runs or even at the end of a shift on unfinished orders. In some cases added exposure times, different taping processes?, Hardner?. There are other costs not associated with plastisol that need to be considered that effect the bottom line. We love waterbase inks but we price with all things considered and that may warrant a price increase over plastisol for your shop instead.

All good points  especially these here. I posted a thread on this if Frog is interested in the research. Also provided the pics for Joe Cs article that addressed this . Most know where I lean however this a place and cost increase/decrease consideration for both. In al actuality this can be project specific within the same shop environment.....much more on this however its been mostly covered
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[brandon]

Yes, at the end of the day besides making client happy it is about the bottom line. And that is why we are mostly water base and discharge. All colors / pantones premixed in gallons and 5 gallons. Not activated of course. Use as needed. There are different formulas and ways of doing that for what you need to print. So waste is a bare minimum for us. Tape? Hardy any. Just 4 strips inside the screen and if you hate tape there are ways not to use it. I don't know where the myth came from that water base discharge screens need extra tape. Exposure times? With the new emulsions out now there are ones that expose in seconds / light units that work just fine. Post exposure? Sure, but all screens should be made in advance, not right before hitting press. Ink cost? Discharge is cheaper than plastisol every time I have checked. Except HSA but charge accordingly. Set ups? Why do two screens when you can do one? I know there are many shops on here that can do one hit whites or yellow or whatever color you need but for every shop on here that can do it correctly there are 75 out there that do white / flash / roller / white or some combo like that. Multiple screens and all that expensive flashing. No thanks. Electricity here in New Orleans is not cheap. There are other benefits for us but this is just us. As I posted earlier in this thread it is just what you are used to. What works for you and your clients and what makes them happy and you profitable. And yes, when clients do ask for plastisol we print it. But 95% or so of our clients want water base / discharge so it depends on your client base. If they wanted plastisol we would do it. But that happens mostly to be our contract side of things. So just do what makes you and your clients happy and make money! Go home be happy and repeat.

[RICK STEFANICK]

Yes, at the end of the day besides making client happy it is about the bottom line. And that is why we are mostly water base and discharge. All colors / pantones premixed in gallons and 5 gallons. Not activated of course. Use as needed. There are different formulas and ways of doing that for what you need to print. So waste is a bare minimum for us. Tape? Hardy any. Just 4 strips inside the screen and if you hate tape there are ways not to use it. I don't know where the myth came from that water base discharge screens need extra tape. Exposure times? With the new emulsions out now there are ones that expose in seconds / light units that work just fine. Post exposure? Sure, but all screens should be made in advance, not right before hitting press. Ink cost? Discharge is cheaper than plastisol every time I have checked. Except HSA but charge accordingly. Set ups? Why do two screens when you can do one? I know there are many shops on here that can do one hit whites or yellow or whatever color you need but for every shop on here that can do it correctly there are 75 out there that do white / flash / roller / white or some combo like that. Multiple screens and all that expensive flashing. No thanks. Electricity here in New Orleans is not cheap. There are other benefits for us but this is just us. As I posted earlier in this thread it is just what you are used to. What works for you and your clients and what makes them happy and you profitable. And yes, when clients do ask for plastisol we print it. But 95% or so of our clients want water base / discharge so it depends on your client base. If they wanted plastisol we would do it. But that happens mostly to be our contract side of things. So just do what makes you and your clients happy and make money! Go home be happy and repeat.

Brandon, how many presses are you runnin down there?

[brandon]

Not enough but that will be changing soon. PM sent.

[sweetts]

If 95 % of your work.is wb charge more for wb. Why make more on only 5%? Plus everyone will pay more for the benefit of the environment. We do it with food, car care, clothing, cars and list goes on.

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[Frog]

If 95 % of your work.is wb charge more for wb. Why make more on only 5%? Plus everyone will pay more for the benefit of the environment. We do it with food, car care, clothing, cars and list goes on.

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They may pay more for this perception, but has WB really been shown to be a lot better for the environment? I have heard over the years that the claim has been exaggerated, not proven, but easily believed due to the word "water" which in and of itself seems benign. I actually understand that with waterbased and discharge inks, actually more goes into the environment than with plastisol which either goes on the shirt, or back in the bucket.

[sweetts]

If 95 % of your work.is wb charge more for wb. Why make more on only 5%? Plus everyone will pay more for the benefit of the environment. We do it with food, car care, clothing, cars and list goes on.

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They may pay more for this perception, but has WB really been shown to be a lot better for the environment? I have heard over the years that the claim has been exaggerated, not proven, but easily believed due to the word "water" which in and of itself seems benign. I actually understand that with waterbased and discharge inks, actually more goes into the environment than with plastisol which either goes on the shirt, or back in the bucket.

If  perception is reality why not capitalize on it?

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[3Deep]

Didn't read all the post, but I started with water base inks back in the day, but when I switch to plastisol I was as happy as a pig eating slop and still happy to this day.  Water base inks have there place in many shops but can pose many problems and extra cost just like discharge inks can, I would say if your going to use those inks you have to do your homework and know your market and garments if you plan to print with those inks, the only thing I really see that DC/WB has over plastisol is clean up.

[rusty]

 I've had the argument many times with people who assume WB is better for the environment just cause it has water in it. With no regard to fact that they just wash it down the drain with no filter.

If you were to look on ETSY it's the big selling point from  printers who say they are using Earthy friendly inks. It infuriates me.

[Frog]

If 95 % of your work.is wb charge more for wb. Why make more on only 5%? Plus everyone will pay more for the benefit of the environment. We do it with food, car care, clothing, cars and list goes on.

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They may pay more for this perception, but has WB really been shown to be a lot better for the environment? I have heard over the years that the claim has been exaggerated, not proven, but easily believed due to the word "water" which in and of itself seems benign. I actually understand that with waterbased and discharge inks, actually more goes into the environment than with plastisol which either goes on the shirt, or back in the bucket.

If  perception is reality why not capitalize on it?

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As long as it is not touted as such, and never comes up in conversation with the client during the deal, no lie, no misrepresentation, no foul.

Of course, according to the amount of posts here about water based and discharge, I'd say that one could easily justify an added cost, as, besides TCT whining about screen cleaning,  it in no way appears easier to master and deal with than plastisol.