Shop fee/plastisol sucks

[TCT]

Anyone ever charged a shop fee or something? Auto repair places will do it sometimes. Basically a PITA charge.

The thought came into my mind today as I was cleaning a screen(it was awesome, our screen cleaner literally walked out the other day without saying squat. So today was my turn) that had plastisol on it. We are probably 95%+ WB/DC these days. Well those screens are easy as all get out to clean. Well here is a screen with plastisol on it. I was so damn pissed at how much longer and messier it was I thought we should charge more for doing plastisol. Anyone else thought of something like this and I guess more importantly, had success charging for it?

[screenprintguy]

HaHHHHHHahahahahaahahahahahq

[GaryG]

This ∆

Softie!
A 5%, PITA eh?
(WB wannabe here)

[brandon]

Everyone here from ink room to press to reclaim gets bummed when we have a contract job come in that is plastisol. Just depends on what you are used too.

[Frog]

If you are serious about compensation for this, crunch the numbers, raise your prices across the board, and itemize a discount on your waterbase.

[jsheridan]

ive been knee deelp in both and ill take plastisol over WB these days.

[Nation03]

If you can get away with charging more, I say do it. However, in a business where clients will leave you over a nickle or dime, it might be tough depending on your market.

Just out of curiosity, are you mainly water based because your clients request it, or was it just a decision you made to make it your standard ink? My dryer is way to small to handle any type of water based/discharge, but I'd like to make a transition to the discharge/WB side of things in the future.

[RICK STEFANICK]

If you are serious about compensation for this, crunch the numbers, raise your prices across the board, and itemize a discount on your waterbase.

Bingo!!

[jsheridan]

Just out of curiosity, are you mainly water based because your clients request it, or was it just a decision you made to make it your standard ink?

I worked for a guy who simply didn't like cleaning plastisol so he went wb/dc and pushed it on his customers.

[3Deep]

Alex, dam I don't even know what to say about that LOL....you clean a screen with ink that we've been using for years and have an epiphany...let us all know how that turns out

[TCT]

The WB/DC thing kind came upon us because of people asking for it. After we got use to it, it is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier. Water clean up, I cleaned 10 screens in like 25 min this morning, the list goes on. It is by default what we print with.

Funny story I tell(no me telling a story ) where it really dawned on me how little plastisol we do. We had a new guy work here for maybe 2 months or so, a job we printed was plastisol, not really thinking about it when the job was done it was Dan's job to tear down as we set up something new. After taking the screen down and bringing the squeegee and flood bar to the sink to spray off, he came back to me and said "this isn't washing off". I then realized this was the first time he had experienced plastisol!

The only real plastisol jobs we get are contract ones which I would have NO problem raising the price on, and or getting rid of in general...

[Frog]

The WB/DC thing kind came upon us because of people asking for it. After we got use to it, it is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier. Water clean up, I cleaned 10 screens in like 25 min this morning, the list goes on. It is by default what we print with.

Funny story I tell(no me telling a story ) where it really dawned on me how little plastisol we do. We had a new guy work here for maybe 2 months or so, a job we printed was plastisol, not really thinking about it when the job was done it was Dan's job to tear down as we set up something new. After taking the screen down and bringing the squeegee and flood bar to the sink to spray off, he came back to me and said "this isn't washing off". I then realized this was the first time he had experienced plastisol!

The only real plastisol jobs we get are contract ones which I would have NO problem raising the price on, and or getting rid of in general...

I've mentioned before, an apparent failed experiment from Union twenty or more years ago with an ink called "Plawtersol" which was a plastisol that did clean up with water. Interestingly, the hybrid plastisol discharges from Union and Wilflex also gain this characteristic.

[ZooCity]

The WB/DC thing kind came upon us because of people asking for it. After we got use to it, it is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier. Water clean up, I cleaned 10 screens in like 25 min this morning, the list goes on. It is by default what we print with.

Funny story I tell(no me telling a story ) where it really dawned on me how little plastisol we do. We had a new guy work here for maybe 2 months or so, a job we printed was plastisol, not really thinking about it when the job was done it was Dan's job to tear down as we set up something new. After taking the screen down and bringing the squeegee and flood bar to the sink to spray off, he came back to me and said "this isn't washing off". I then realized this was the first time he had experienced plastisol!

The only real plastisol jobs we get are contract ones which I would have NO problem raising the price on, and or getting rid of in general...

I've mentioned before, an apparent failed experiment from Union twenty or more years ago with an ink called "Plawtersol" which was a plastisol that did clean up with water. Interestingly, the hybrid plastisol discharges from Union and Wilflex also gain this characteristic.

Whoa, seriously?  That's hilarious.

We do a lot of wb/dc and still some hsa here but while plastisol may not be king but it still has it's kingdom in the shop.  Too many fabrics + art that can't happen in a single order with wb/dc/hsa (well, maybe hsa but we don't have a 20 head oval with 10 flashes...).   I also love the dc ub plastisol top combination for sim and process work, very separation and press friendly with a finished print that rivals straight wb/dc. 

Only major complaint is finding a singular ink cleaner that will melt the plasti effectively and still work well to get into the mesh knuckles and kick out the wb pigs. 

[jvanick]

Only major complaint is finding a singular ink cleaner that will melt the plasti effectively and still work well to get into the mesh knuckles and kick out the wb pigs.

Saati IR26 has worked great for us for both plastisol and waterbase jobs.. (even cleans up the Matsui Spot Black very nicely)...

[ericheartsu]

Only major complaint is finding a singular ink cleaner that will melt the plasti effectively and still work well to get into the mesh knuckles and kick out the wb pigs.

Saati IR26 has worked great for us for both plastisol and waterbase jobs.. (even cleans up the Matsui Spot Black very nicely)...

agreed. full strength works well. BUT we did have to find a better chem. for staining.