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Manual Printers - Which of these are in your repertoire?

Pull stroke (plastisol)
9 (20.5%)
Push stroke (plastisol)
10 (22.7%)
Pull stroke (waterbase)
4 (9.1%)
Push Stroke (waterbase)
4 (9.1%)
Flood (fill) with screen lifted
14 (31.8%)
Flood (fill) with screen down
3 (6.8%)
Flood??? I don't need no stinkin' flood!
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: July 16, 2016, 04:04:08 PM

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Manual Printing Techniques - Poll
« on: July 09, 2016, 04:04:08 PM »
Recent discussions about squeegee handles with upright grips have brought up issues of these different cat-skinning methods.
I am thinking of full sized prints, realizing that many handle small heart prints differently. I know that I do.
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Re: Manual Printing Techniques
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 06:11:50 PM »
I soft flood usually for top colors.  Might add that as an option.

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Re: Manual Printing Techniques
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 07:01:04 PM »
Push or Pull but still trying to see if low EOM is for sure the difficulty I've had in getting good push-stroke deposits recently and if that causes the smearing to become greater as well (perhaps not as much gasket to resist ink going under the emulsion with the added force of the blade from pushing and being closer and the shearing forces involved being different, scraping the ink, perhaps relatively greater EOM under the mesh is what gives a push stroke the deposit necessary and resists bleeding ??).       I never used to have issues,  I do appreciate learning all the pull-stroke angle and pressure methods and being able to put a very thin or very thick layer of ink down with one screen, but the cleanliness vs. smudginess and screen-clearing is not really as good or consistent as a push-stroke for me at a consistent angle and controlled eom etc... I have to test this out in comparison.   Would prefer the push-stroke personally.... but I have not done waterbased/discharge printing yet.    So far capable of push or pull with plastisol and all sorts of spot, blend, process, sim process, etc... with raised-screen flood-filling or lowered screen if just a light pass-over flood (I dont really think this is flooding, just laying ink over the mesh it seems), but no waterbase/discharge push/pull or flooding experience yet. 
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Re: Manual Printing Techniques
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016, 07:14:59 PM »
Push or Pull but still trying to see if low EOM is for sure the difficulty I've had in getting good push-stroke deposits recently and if that causes the smearing to become greater as well (perhaps not as much gasket to resist ink going under the emulsion with the added force of the blade from pushing and being closer and the shearing forces involved being different, scraping the ink, perhaps relatively greater EOM under the mesh is what gives a push stroke the deposit necessary and resists bleeding ??).       I never used to have issues,  I do appreciate learning all the pull-stroke angle and pressure methods and being able to put a very thin or very thick layer of ink down with one screen, but the cleanliness vs. smudginess and screen-clearing is not really as good or consistent as a push-stroke for me at a consistent angle and controlled eom etc... I have to test this out in comparison.   Would prefer the push-stroke personally.... but I have not done waterbased/discharge printing yet.    So far capable of push or pull with plastisol and all sorts of spot, blend, process, sim process, etc... with raised-screen flood-filling or lowered screen if just a light pass-over flood (I dont really think this is flooding, just laying ink over the mesh it seems), but no waterbase/discharge push/pull or flooding experience yet.
most obvious cause of a smear is low tension mesh shifting, and doing so more with more pressure which can be a side product of the push stroke because we tend to now use our body as well as our arms
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Re: Manual Printing Techniques
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2016, 10:02:49 PM »

most obvious cause of a smear is low tension mesh shifting, and doing so more with more pressure which can be a side product of the push stroke because we tend to know use our body as well as our arms

Thanks I didn't think about that also,  there is a wide range in tensions and I always try to grab a higher tension screen, but yeah that is another variable to consider that would play a role in the slippage, possibly the greater impact is from this rather than low-eom with a push-stroke's added force/pressure in the lateral direction.   A pull-stroke glides over even with high pressure it is about how very little squeegee-blade is behind the force direction, just the width of the squeegee, and with a push-stroke it is like the entire height of the squeegee blade and the rest of that angle extending into the arms and body etc is in the force-direction so it really does accomplish more work in that way than a pull, but it may indeed create a greater chance for low-tension movement of the screen mesh while printing.    Thank you for reminding me about that.

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