Hate to start a Pissing Contest But.......

[DaveZ]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

[Gilligan]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

Hmm, until recently you guys were the only one that offered revolver... Was that because it sucked and no one wanted it?

No, it was because it was patented... Just like the flash back.  Anatol tried to release one but was shut down due to patent... Just like you guys shut down ppl that tried to implement revolver.

[GraphicDisorder]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

Hmm, until recently you guys were the only one that offered revolver... Was that because it sucked and no one wanted it?

No, it was because it was patented... Just like the flash back.  Anatol tried to release one but was shut down due to patent... Just like you guys shut down ppl that tried to implement revolver.

Fat Bobby was still putting a revolver like program on Work Horses before the patent expired and Anatol was too. Who cares about patents apparently.

[aauusa]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

that is a class act response from a manufacturer.  Yeah its funny that workhorse does not have customers who speak to the validity of there approach.  oh wait they do.   

and now name calling "fat Bobby"   guess the useful information on this thread is now nearing the end..

[GraphicDisorder]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

that is a class act response from a manufacturer.  Yeah its funny that workhorse does not have customers who speak to the validity of there approach.  oh wait they do.   

and now name calling "fat Bobby"   guess the useful information on this thread is now nearing the end..

This whole forum was founded because of fat bobby basically. How do you not know who he is?  We can't type his name it censors it.  Lighten up, print some shirts. LOL

[spotcolorsupply]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

Patents have a tendency to do that... 

Tri-Lock is only (or mainly) available on M&R... By your logic, every other big equipment manufacturer must have not seen it as a good option..??

Rumor has it, the Tri-Lock patent is running up soon... Wonder what will happen when it does...

[GraphicDisorder]

...you can't even compare in head flashing since M&R doesn't even offer that option.

Yeah, funny how M&R (and virtually every other manufacturer) doesn't see in-head flashing as a good option....  Just like M&R never saw a v-squeegee as a good option.

We offer what works best for production, and our (and our customers') success speaks to the validity of that approach.

Patents have a tendency to do that... 

Tri-Lock is only (or mainly) available on M&R... By your logic, every other big equipment manufacturer must have not seen it as a good option..??

Rumor has it, the Tri-Lock patent is running up soon... Wonder what will happen when it does...

Will you be selling another manufacture by then or gonna stick with one for a minute?

 

I am just giving you a hard time I hope you know that.

[ol man]

you guys need to focus on sales -- if you have this much time to post.

[DaveZ]

...Yeah its funny that workhorse does not have customers who speak to the validity of there approach...

I never suggested anything of the sort - might want to read what I wrote again.

[DaveZ]

By your logic, every other big equipment manufacturer must have not seen it as a good option..??...

That's not what I wrote...

It was a LONG while between the flashback appearing and the patent being granted.  We built our own version in the interim, but neither we nor our customers were happy with the results, so we discontinued it.  The patent was granted LONG after we discarded the idea...

[alan802]

WOW, I just now saw this thread and tried to scan through it best I could.  You guys know I'm big on "real-time production speed" because that's what we HAVE to do because of our production/business model.  We do a lot of work with our auto, small jobs mostly, so even if we've got a smaller job, say 100 pieces, we need to run that job as fast as we can while maintaining quality to get it the hell off the press and get the next of the jobs on and off the press. 

Our needs are a lot different than most, but my goal is to get as much work out of one auto as is possible so that means, only for our shop (other shops will vary), doing 2K jobs per year and as much over a million in sales per year with just that one auto.  Flash times don't slow us down much really, once things are warmed up we're flashing for about the same amount of time as the print stroke which is under 2 seconds.  I've slowed down some things with our print head like adjusting the time it takes for our carriage to print after the table is in the up position and flood speeds so we're never waiting for the table to position up due to flooding.  We also print our white inks very fast but even with all of that we are rarely waiting on our flash units. 

What we require from our auto is WAY different than most, so all of the differing viewpoints on this thread aren't wrong or right.  A flashback wouldn't work well for us, as revolver mode does get used from time to time on smaller jobs that we don't want to burn a 2nd screen for when we could get the job done quicker than the extra 20 minutes of labor involved with adding a screen into the production loop.  If whomever is looking for an auto can see themselves operating the same way SRI does then you need a press that can run at 1000/hr and even more importantly, you need to be able to set jobs up very fast.

[kingscreen]

I have a Sabre and use Tri-Loc all day every day without any issues.  I also use Tri-Loc with the 2331 Starlight; a big no-no so I'm told.  No issues (almost a year in). 
I have a Flashback, typically use it in Table Up mode and it shuttles out and back during the print strokes.  Speed isn't really effected much.  Then again, my shop just isn't running 80/hr/dz. everyday.; typically we are 35-50/dz/hr. depending on the print.  Rarely do I use it to flash on a print head, unless I need to print all colors with a flash. Flashbacks have versatility that Quartz flashes don't.  But you will sacrifice some speed for it.  Also to clarify, the Sabre DOES allow programming the unload station as a Flash.

Back to XG Print's original post, an 8/10 with 2 flashes is what you need.  Get a Sabre with one Quartz and one Flashback.  You won't break the bank and you'll have tons of versatility.

[GraphicDisorder]

you guys need to focus on sales -- if you have this much time to post.

I lost focus for a second but we did OK.

[TCT]

you guys need to focus on sales -- if you have this much time to post.

I lost focus for a second but we did OK.

Dude, your numbers for the 19th look grim...

[GraphicDisorder]

you guys need to focus on sales -- if you have this much time to post.

I lost focus for a second but we did OK.

Dude, your numbers for the 19th look grim...