Hate to start a Pissing Contest But.......

[kingscreen]

I feel that when it comes to getting an automatic press, you should get the biggest, fastest, and most versitile machine you can afford. But also consider your clientele and shop needs.

[LoneWolf2]

Damn, I missed out on all the fun it seems!

[XG Print]

Wow!! I can honestly say I appreciate all the feedback!  Looks like I need to lean more towards an AC head and servo press. For the difference in money the Sabre 8/10 may be the way to go. I don't think MR has a AC servo unit that is even close $$ wise. Space is not much of an issue for me unless we got to a 2 auto situation and we could still make it work, it would just be a little snug.  Need to go see a Sabre and probably a Sportsman in person before making the final decision but this has definitely helped. Thanks Guys!!

[jvanick]

no matter which way you go with flashes (flashback -or- standalone quartz -- I'd suggest getting both, but you could always add one later) you'll be happy with the Sabre...

Your next step will be a bigger dryer

[244]

Wow!! I can honestly say I appreciate all the feedback!  Looks like I need to lean more towards an AC head and servo press. For the difference in money the Sabre 8/10 may be the way to go. I don't think MR has a AC servo unit that is even close $$ wise. Space is not much of an issue for me unless we got to a 2 auto situation and we could still make it work, it would just be a little snug.  Need to go see a Sabre and probably a Sportsman in person before making the final decision but this has definitely helped. Thanks Guys!!

The Sportsman is a lot closer in price than you may imagine. Feel free to contact me to discuss the differences, visit some end users, and discuss pricing.

[Wildcard]

I realize aesthetics aren't typically a factor in buying production machines but Workhorse do make a stylish looking press.

[DaveZ]

Comments relating to all the discussions about flash style:

1) Revolver mode allows flashing in virtually ANY desired sequence, AND allows ample after-flash cooling time.
2) Positioning the flash at the unload station (which can also be programmed into the Revolver sequence) allows printing and flashing of as many colors as the press has print heads.  So, for instance a Sportsman 8/10 can print 8 colors AND flash in that scenario.
3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

[Gilligan]

3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

You can revolve on the workhorse as well... Up to 9 times I think. So you can flash more than once with a single flash and in just about any order you want.

Just as an FYI.

[spotcolorsupply]

3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

You can revolve on the workhorse as well... Up to 9 times I think. So you can flash more than once with a single flash and in just about any order you want.

Just as an FYI.

This is correct^^^

Also, i'm pretty sure orbital mode can assign the flash over the unload, if the customer has the plug and go quartz flash.

Flashbacks are low amperage flashes... Because they only pull 20 Amps each, two of them pull less amperage than most standard quartz flashes...

Flashback = 20 Amps

Plug-N-Go (single phase) = 60 Amps

Plug-N-Go (three phase) = 40 Amps

[jvanick]

Bonus on the M&R side is you can get the Red Chili D flashes that have temperature sensors for the substrate.. makes scorching shirts nearly impossible...  (and allows you to automatically optimize your flash times as the job runs)

[DaveZ]

You can revolve on the workhorse as well...

Hmmm, so you're suggesting revolving with a flashback? 

[GraphicDisorder]

3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

You can revolve on the workhorse as well... Up to 9 times I think. So you can flash more than once with a single flash and in just about any order you want.

Just as an FYI.

This is correct^^^

Also, i'm pretty sure orbital mode can assign the flash over the unload, if the customer has the plug and go quartz flash.

Flashbacks are low amperage flashes... Because they only pull 20 Amps each, two of them pull less amperage than most standard quartz flashes...

Flashback = 20 Amps

Plug-N-Go (single phase) = 60 Amps

Plug-N-Go (three phase) = 40 Amps

Do you think the higher amp draw is because the flash is better or worse.   

[spotcolorsupply]

3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

You can revolve on the workhorse as well... Up to 9 times I think. So you can flash more than once with a single flash and in just about any order you want.

Just as an FYI.

This is correct^^^

Also, i'm pretty sure orbital mode can assign the flash over the unload, if the customer has the plug and go quartz flash.

Flashbacks are low amperage flashes... Because they only pull 20 Amps each, two of them pull less amperage than most standard quartz flashes...

Flashback = 20 Amps

Plug-N-Go (single phase) = 60 Amps

Plug-N-Go (three phase) = 40 Amps

Do you think the higher amp draw is because the flash is better or worse.   

I would attribute the difference in amp draw to the type of the bulbs used, and the fact that one stays on and the other goes on and off...

Cool thing is... All of the flashes I referenced above are compatible with the sabre/cutlass, so the customer can decide for themselves, or get both...

[GraphicDisorder]

3) Each flash unit requires power, so if you need two "flashback-style" units in order to flash more than 1 color, you just doubled your power requirements.

You can revolve on the workhorse as well... Up to 9 times I think. So you can flash more than once with a single flash and in just about any order you want.

Just as an FYI.

This is correct^^^

Also, i'm pretty sure orbital mode can assign the flash over the unload, if the customer has the plug and go quartz flash.

Flashbacks are low amperage flashes... Because they only pull 20 Amps each, two of them pull less amperage than most standard quartz flashes...

Flashback = 20 Amps

Plug-N-Go (single phase) = 60 Amps

Plug-N-Go (three phase) = 40 Amps

Do you think the higher amp draw is because the flash is better or worse.   

I would attribute the difference in amp draw to the type of the bulbs used, and the fact that one stays on and the other goes on and off...

Cool thing is... All of the flashes I referenced above are compatible with the sabre/cutlass, so the customer can decide for themselves, or get both...

I am giving you a hard time mang lol.

[Printficient]

Bonus on the M&R side is you can get the Red Chili D flashes that have temperature sensors for the substrate.. makes scorching shirts nearly impossible...  (and allows you to automatically optimize your flash times as the job runs)

Also available on MSI Flashes.  Great units from a guy that has been around as long as Rich.