Can a no shirt detector be made

[Elvis]

Hey Rich:  call off the patent cops, I found a used one. Cheaper that I could have built one.
Now I need some wing flood bars. my existing ones are 16in. wide.

No one ever said we would enforce the issue. I just posted to explain what the price really covers. Its not all about the material. Now as far as those flood bars they are up on our store at store.mrprint.com.

What issue is there to enforce? Are we to believe that The Shirt Board is about "Friendly Screen Printers" and "not so Friendly Suppliers" be nice to us 244 we are your customers.

M&R builds decent equipment for sure, but why is there always a fight over such trivial things like used equipment?

Why can't rmonks connect his wife's hairdryer up to his machine if he so chooses?

What you are paying for is the rights to the software and not just the components. Doing what you suggest is something you might want to think twice about before you hook into that circuit!

the Bold text was the part we couldn't understand, (to be honest its a big turn off for us) if the patent has lapsed since 1990 why would it matter what the rmonks guy "hook(ed) into the circuit!"

The No shirt detector is a patented process!
However, The patent is only good for a period 20 years from the date filed which was Oct.2 1990
So, The patent holder enjoyed many years of benefits $$$$$$$$$$$$.
It is now time time to let public domain, enjoy your 20 years of protection. That is the law!
However the skip shirt pedel is a simpler/ cheaper/better option for the real world.

M&R is a good company, why not simply encourage us screen printers instead of scaring us with threats of circuit hookups? Just my 2 cents

Rant over

I heard a funny one the other day, if a penny for your thoughts is all someone ask for than why do we give a double dose by offering our 2 cents? LMAO

Elvis out

[244]

Hey Rich:  call off the patent cops, I found a used one. Cheaper that I could have built one.
Now I need some wing flood bars. my existing ones are 16in. wide.

No one ever said we would enforce the issue. I just posted to explain what the price really covers. Its not all about the material. Now as far as those flood bars they are up on our store at store.mrprint.com.

What issue is there to enforce? Are we to believe that The Shirt Board is about "Friendly Screen Printers" and "not so Friendly Suppliers" be nice to us 244 we are your customers.

M&R builds decent equipment for sure, but why is there always a fight over such trivial things like used equipment?

Why can't rmonks connect his wife's hairdryer up to his machine if he so chooses?

What you are paying for is the rights to the software and not just the components. Doing what you suggest is something you might want to think twice about before you hook into that circuit!

the Bold text was the part we couldn't understand, (to be honest its a big turn off for us) if the patent has lapsed since 1990 why would it matter what the rmonks guy "hook(ed) into the circuit!"

The No shirt detector is a patented process!
However, The patent is only good for a period 20 years from the date filed which was Oct.2 1990
So, The patent holder enjoyed many years of benefits $$$$$$$$$$$$.
It is now time time to let public domain, enjoy your 20 years of protection. That is the law!
However the skip shirt pedel is a simpler/ cheaper/better option for the real world.

M&R is a good company, why not simply encourage us screen printers instead of scaring us with threats of circuit hookups? Just my 2 cents

Rant over

I heard a funny one the other day, if a penny for your thoughts is all someone ask for than why do we give a double dose by offering our 2 cents? LMAO

Elvis out

I don't think you misunderstood what I meant. We have had customers who purchased machines from others and hooked up product that caused harm to the machine and then call us saying they have an issue with the machine. We cannot troubleshoot what we don't know of. There is no problem with rmonks doing whatever he wants to his machine. He bought it used and we do no service on the machine so what he puts into the plug doesn't matter to us. There are some machines that the shirt detector option was not ordered and the circuit was not activated and there are some that the option was not ordered and got out with it activated anyhow. That is all that I was stating and yes his wife can hook up her hair dryer if he wants!! What issues of patent infringements on used equipment that are always "popping" up are you referring to? I am not aware of any.

[mk162]

I've never heard of a company going after a patent infringement on an end user that fabricated his own parts....and technically, could it be patent infringement if you buy all the parts from the company?  Like what if I built our Gauntlet S into a revolver, buying only parts from M&R or authorized dealers.  Would that be infringement?  Just wondering.

[alan802]

I think some of you misunderstood Rich's statement about being careful when you plug into the circuit.  He wasn't stating that he would come after anyone for building their own accessories, I think he really just meant to be careful because it could seriously screw something up.

[244]

I think some of you misunderstood Rich's statement about being careful when you plug into the circuit.  He wasn't stating that he would come after anyone for building their own accessories, I think he really just meant to be careful because it could seriously screw something up.

That is what I was trying to say. I really dont care what you plug into the machine as long as I dont have to troubleshoot it.

[244]

I've never heard of a company going after a patent infringement on an end user that fabricated his own parts....and technically, could it be patent infringement if you buy all the parts from the company?  Like what if I built our Gauntlet S into a revolver, buying only parts from M&R or authorized dealers.  Would that be infringement?  Just wondering.

The discussion is all about software. The revolver is strictly software. If you were to buy a interface for one of our presses and ran the revolver program without being licensed yes you would be infringing. Are we and do we go after end users that use our patents on our machines, no. Will we go after someone using our patented software on a competitors machine if warranted, yes.

[mk162]

I didn't figure you guys would.  And I would go after competitors over the revolver program...you guys own it and for as long as the patent is good, you should reap the rewards of your labor.

[blue moon]

I think some of you misunderstood Rich's statement about being careful when you plug into the circuit.  He wasn't stating that he would come after anyone for building their own accessories, I think he really just meant to be careful because it could seriously screw something up.

That is what I was trying to say. I really dont care what you plug into the machine as long as I dont have to troubleshoot it.

Rich we all know that is not true! Many of us here will attest that you have called us on the weekends and in the late hours of the day to help out even when it was not your equipment (my American dryer for example). Your willingness to help and support the end user is unparalleled in this industry. It seems the idiot is trying to stir everything up again. . . Elvis has left the building!!! (permanently!)

pierre

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[Sbrem]

Rick

I am with you...I was properly trained on my auto and we do not have a no shirt detector or foot pedal...in my opinion those devices are band-aids for poor training. 

Training is key here....making sure all employees who use the auto know how to properly use it is the best...

Sam

And I agree with that Sam, but, poop happens, and a quick way to stop the press is a good thing. We have no detectors either, on either auto, maybe a plate gets printed once every few years, we can live with that. I figure the loader knows he missed a shirt and can stop it before something worse happens.

Steve

[rmonks]

I think some of you misunderstood Rich's statement about being careful when you plug into the circuit.  He wasn't stating that he would come after anyone for building their own accessories, I think he really just meant to be careful because it could seriously screw something up.

That is what I was trying to say. I really dont care what you plug into the machine as long as I dont have to troubleshoot it.

Rich we all know that is not true! Many of us here will attest that you have called us on the weekends and in the late hours of the day to help out even when it was not your equipment (my American dryer for example). Your willingness to help and support the end user is unparalleled in this industry. It seems the idiot is trying to stir everything up again. . . Elvis has left the building!!! (permanently!)

pierre

Are you referring to me being an idiot. I just ask this question. I have an M&R gauntlet, and need to get a no shirt detector, I know , I know , i can buy one from M&R. I am like everyone else trying to save money , NOT cut corners.
If it is just sensors and parts, I can do it with a little guidance . Has anyone made their own.

[Frog]

I think some of you misunderstood Rich's statement about being careful when you plug into the circuit.  He wasn't stating that he would come after anyone for building their own accessories, I think he really just meant to be careful because it could seriously screw something up.

That is what I was trying to say. I really dont care what you plug into the machine as long as I dont have to troubleshoot it.

Rich we all know that is not true! Many of us here will attest that you have called us on the weekends and in the late hours of the day to help out even when it was not your equipment (my American dryer for example). Your willingness to help and support the end user is unparalleled in this industry. It seems the idiot is trying to stir everything up again. . . Elvis has left the building!!! (permanently!)

pierre

Are you referring to me being an idiot. I just ask this question. I have an M&R gauntlet, and need to get a no shirt detector, I know , I know , i can buy one from M&R. I am like everyone else trying to save money , NOT cut corners.
If it is just sensors and parts, I can do it with a little guidance . Has anyone made their own.

Monk, you're not paying attention. Read the thread keep responses in context. The idiot to whom Pierre referred was shown the exit and has left the building!

[mk162]

Also, rmonks, didn't you find one used?  That is a much better option than building your own in most cases.

[rmonks]

Sorry Frog, its monday I get a free pass . LOL . And yes I did find a used one. Thanks to all and to all a good day.