"He who marches out of step hears another drum." ~ Ken Kesey
Brandt, that's a far cry... No one has brought up Sam and his ROI claims for a long time... It's relevant to the discussion. That's like never bringing up any fact of history because we should have "let it go by now".
what are the approx dimensions of this machine? how much room do you need to have to work around it?Why did you choose the M&R model vs the other brands available? beside the kickass CS you get with anything M&R...Just curious as I have to do some due diligence here...I know next to nothing about DTS machines except that I need one sooner rather than later....but I need to know why I need this model vs others.
Would some of you CTS guys at least agree that a shop doing about 6-7 repeat jobs out of every 10, and a shop that sets up a 6 color job in about 8 minutes (using film generated screens and a modified triloc that doesn't use carrier sheets) will NOT see the same benefits as a shop that takes 30 minutes to setup a 6 color job, with or without a decent preregistration system? LIKE NOT EVEN CLOSE? My comments aren't meant as a slight to CTS and those of you that have them. It's like you want me to admit something I don't have a problem admitting but when I ask a question it get's no answer, only blowhard wise-ass comments trying to argue something I'm not trying to argue about. Hey, I'd love to be able to buy equipment and not have to worry about what it costs or how much I was going to use it, but that's not a reality that most people get to live like Brandt so we play the cards we're dealt. So if me using math, spreadsheets and ROI offends some of you and it's stupid and without "logic", then oh well. I think the quality, volume and efficiency that this shop operates at is all the proof I need to back my statements. And I'm not arguing that most CTS users don't really see huge gains in every aspect of production either, I'm simply saying our production speaks for itself and there is good reason why we do the amount of work we do with one auto and 3 guys but nobody will ever recognize that because we simply don't have a CTS yet. I don't understand why Brandt thinks I'm arguing against CTS technology or against guys that bought them. I'M SAYING THAT SRI HAS MANAGED TO DO JOBS QUICKLY WITHOUT A CTS. If you have the money for one, buy one, buy two, I know it will help you, but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to what this shop achieves without it. I do have opinions on smaller shops buying them when it comes to the numbers and how it pertains to whether or not it's a good "business decision" but I also have never said anything negative about making jobs easier and what that means in a production environment if you buy one just for quality of worklife. If you want to spend $50K to save an hour a week, who am I to say you're stupid? Just don't tell me I don't know jack because I use math, numbers, ROI spreadsheets because I do have a problem with that. No amount of statements from CTS users will ever convince me that a small shop, that may or may not do a lot of repeat jobs, will benefit financially from adding a CTS when they could buy a triloc, modify it and see setups as fast as we see. There will be benefits, but from a strict business decision standpoint, there are/is at least one better option. There is no better option for increasing production efficiency than a CTS when you don't look at the price of the machine. If you're doing 10 jobs a week and can make the payment on a CTS, it's none of my business if you buy it or not. But, if you're a shop that wants to increase your setup times, CTS is a fantastic option, or you could do what we did. With film, I setup a 4 color sim process job for the pound for pound champ, in 5 minutes and one test print, and just me doing the setup. I did it without a CTS. We had to print out film and burn the screens traditionally, and on that job we could have saved more than a few minutes, but not 30 like some shops might see. Now do you want to start putting in all the numbers for the repeat jobs we do? Didn't think so. And I know some of you will think this logic is super gay, but there is nobody, not Dirk, not Danny, maybe Dave, that can convince me that we will see MUCH MORE than a 30% increase in overall efficiency and a production capacity increase of about 35-40%. Those numbers are nothing to scoff at either, they're actually HUGE for a shop our size in my opinion. BUT, we're talking about dropping $70-80K to reach those numbers, with a $40K machine our numbers won't be as significant as above. We could increase one of those numbers well beyond that by buying a second auto, but at a much higher overhead and likely a loss of efficiency than a CTS would do which would actually be lowering our overhead. But if you think you'll convince me that we'll see a lot more than that because people say that they'll NEVER EVER go back to using film, my brain doesn't work that way. I can't drop $70K because really good print shops (ran by guys I respect a lot) tell me they absolutely love their CTS and they'll never use film ever again. Why doesn't that compute with you Brandt? You always argue that nobody knows how your shop operates and nobody can tell you what to do or how to do it, yet you are a hypocrite when it comes to this argument and have no respect for an opinion you don't share and have to drop smartass comments meant to lure people into an argument. And it's funny how nobody wants to bring up something that will not help their argument and claim that it's not news and those of us that do bring it up can't let go of the past. Is there a moratorium on talking about Sam now? What's the big deal?The only guys that really understand where I'm coming from are the MHM and Sroque guys, wonder why that is? The CTS argument doesn't really peak the interest of the MHM and Sroque crowd as much as it does others. It's still a good option but for whatever reason it's not as big of a deal.
Funniest thing ever posted about DTS.