i-Image in the house!

[mk162]

the only way to make films nearly as fast as this would be to have a printer that punches alignment holes in them as they print and those would fit into a jig on the expo unit.

[bimmridder]

Like the old high dollar imagesetters

[Homer]

the only way to make films nearly as fast as this would be to have a printer that punches alignment holes in them as they print and those would fit into a jig on the expo unit.

ha! I made one of those . Industrial hole punch, had a piece of steel milled out to have the holes fit exact, fixed it to the expo unit, oh it was a scene man...problem was my films were way too long because the reg device 3 hole thing was outside the vacuum blanket.....

[GraphicDisorder]

Are we seriously going to start the debate back up AGAIN.  Can't we just post a link to the 35 other ones?

[Orion]

I hate hate hate our DTS... NOT! 

[ebscreen]

What I am saying is, a modification to a $1500 piece of equipment (or whatever a Tri-Loc costs)
could negate a number of the benefits of a $40k piece of equipment. Get huffy if you want, but that's
just good business sense, for everyone except the guy selling the $40k piece of equipment.

[3Deep]

Got to keep up with the Jones Ebscreen, I thought you knew that

Oh and I'm getting like my customers I thought you just push a button, not yet but it's getting there.

[mk162]

not fully...unless the tri-loc will somehow allow you to have a better image...I doubt it.  we would sometimes get moire at 55lpi on a 230...i have yet to see it with the i-image...at all.

The detail is so much better...

[blue moon]

not fully...unless the tri-loc will somehow allow you to have a better image...I doubt it.  we would sometimes get moire at 55lpi on a 230...i have yet to see it with the i-image...at all.

The detail is so much better...

that just means your dots are not the same size or frequency. One of your processes is/was not calibrated. . .

pierre

[alan802]

This has been the foundation of my stance on why SRI won't see as big of an increase in throughput as the shop that spends 30 minutes setting up a 6 color job.  I haven't a clue how other shops are doing with their setups with a modified triloc, but if anyone wants to see how ours works the doors are always open.  The longest I've gone without needing to touch a micro is about 20 screens.  On the average 6 color setup, there is one touch of the micro and 2 test prints and we're rolling. 

And of course we can't duplicate a CTS's image detail and would have never claimed to, but the only time we see moire is when I get stupid and try to put a 55lpi halftoned image on a 150 or 180.  It's been years since we saw moire on anything above a 205.  But we've got nice film and a great light source which is the key for us.  A CTS'd screen and a new MH bulb will blow our stuff out of the water, but we're printing on T-shirts and you reach the point of diminishing returns due to the ability of the fibers of the shirt to hold only so much detail.  I guess if we could output everything at 80lpi on 330/30's it would be neat, but I don't know that we'd ever need that unless I wanted to start trying to win some awards.  Which I do have an interest in doing some day and once we get a CTS I'll look further into doing that. 

I think some would be very surprised at just how well our modified triloc works.  I get a passionate about the benefits of that thing like I do thin thread mesh because it's an unbelievable tool for us.  I can see how some are skeptical but I've never said it's better than a CTS system, but it can't be beat when it comes to ROI here at our shop.  Maybe if we could get an STE II for cheap would it beat out our regi system as an investment but that's not reality.  I just think that for us it has had such a huge impact that I can't not talk about it with some vigor. 

[DannyGruninger]

Alan, you guys are still using your registration system? I remember a while back you saying that your printer refuses to use it LOL

[mimosatexas]

I'm about half way through building my copy of your system Alan, but I made some small changes that I think MIGHT improve on it.  I'll let you know when it's up and running and everyone can tear it apart

[Gilligan]

I think some would be very surprised at just how well our modified triloc works.  I get a passionate about the benefits of that thing like I do thin thread mesh because it's an unbelievable tool for us.  I can see how some are skeptical but I've never said it's better than a CTS system, but it can't be beat when it comes to ROI here at our shop.  Maybe if we could get an STE II for cheap would it beat out our regi system as an investment but that's not reality.  I just think that for us it has had such a huge impact that I can't not talk about it with some vigor.

I think that is why I also argue the same... I have seen his system in action and the time savings of a proper fpu make it hard to justify the coin of a dts based on time alone.

[blue moon]

This has been the foundation of my stance on why SRI won't see as big of an increase in throughput as the shop that spends 30 minutes setting up a 6 color job.  I haven't a clue how other shops are doing with their setups with a modified triloc, but if anyone wants to see how ours works the doors are always open.  The longest I've gone without needing to touch a micro is about 20 screens.  On the average 6 color setup, there is one touch of the micro and 2 test prints and we're rolling. 

And of course we can't duplicate a CTS's image detail and would have never claimed to, but the only time we see moire is when I get stupid and try to put a 55lpi halftoned image on a 150 or 180.  It's been years since we saw moire on anything above a 205.  But we've got nice film and a great light source which is the key for us.  A CTS'd screen and a new MH bulb will blow our stuff out of the water, but we're printing on T-shirts and you reach the point of diminishing returns due to the ability of the fibers of the shirt to hold only so much detail.  I guess if we could output everything at 80lpi on 330/30's it would be neat, but I don't know that we'd ever need that unless I wanted to start trying to win some awards.  Which I do have an interest in doing some day and once we get a CTS I'll look further into doing that. 

I think some would be very surprised at just how well our modified triloc works.  I get a passionate about the benefits of that thing like I do thin thread mesh because it's an unbelievable tool for us.  I can see how some are skeptical but I've never said it's better than a CTS system, but it can't be beat when it comes to ROI here at our shop.  Maybe if we could get an STE II for cheap would it beat out our regi system as an investment but that's not reality.  I just think that for us it has had such a huge impact that I can't not talk about it with some vigor.

Actually, there is a misconception that the DTS produces better screens than film. In general that is not the case. Both ink and wax are printed from far away, compared to the film, and have splatter reduce the quality of the dot. This not to say it's bad, just that imagesetter produces cleaner, more accurate dot 

Pierre

[Dottonedan]

I also wanted to mention, as it pertained to the Tri-Lock,


I just installed an ST at a shop that also just got a 14 color M&R auto.
I separated the first two jobs off of that press for them. The first was a 4 color process on white and the 2nd was a 6 color sim process on black tees. No registration marks on either. Perfect registration and it was the new guys that just got trained on the press who set the jobs up. Registration was dead on at first strike off for each one.


Pretty impressive.