Anatol Volt vs Javelin Pro

[Gilligan]

I'm not even gonna begin to work with that flawed logic... Stepping stones?  Cars are not investments... They are liabilities.

[Frog]

I'm not even gonna begin to work with that flawed logic... Stepping stones?  Cars are not investments... They are liabilities.

So, when this new tangent gets split, what'll it be? Cars as penis extensions, or billboards advertising financial status?

btw, I just got back from a trip to my hometown of Hollywood CA, so the subject is especially fresh in my mind.

[GraphicDisorder]

I'm not even gonna begin to work with that flawed logic... Stepping stones?  Cars are not investments... They are liabilities.

 I said it was a stepping stone, meaning I bought a Vette, going to buy a Z06 probably next year, then a Ferrari likely 458, just a evolution to the car I really want which wouldn't be super wise to buy right now even though I could.  Has nothing to do with an investment.  I mean wow way to take it way off track, I certainly didn't suggest it was a investment.  Ive never looked at cars as a investment... 

Did you watch that terrible video you posted?

I'm not even gonna begin to work with that flawed logic... Stepping stones?  Cars are not investments... They are liabilities.

So, when this new tangent gets split, what'll it be? Cars as penis extensions, or billboards advertising financial status?

For some people that's what it is to them.  Certainly not people that really just enjoy driving cars hard and appreciate the technology advancing what is possible in a road car.  Nothing like a hour or so of cornering in the hills.... nobody out there to show off to

[Baron265]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

[Baron265]

I have own a shop with two Manuel Presses and looking to buy an Automatic.  I was set on the Javelin Pro 6/8 with chopper system, but then the Anatol rep came back with an 8/10 volt for the same price. They are both package deals with two flashes, dryer, exposure unit, ect. I have seen a Jaevlin and think it's a great value and like the flashback.  The Anatol has AC heads and servo, but is all electric. I have not seem the volt in Person and not sure about an all electric press.  The Anatol seems like the better deal. Does anyone have a Volt or Javelin and have any input?  Would there be any quality downside to the All electric press?

The Javelin is one of the longest running production models in the market. There are thousands of them printing every day. The Javelin design is simple to use and easy to maintain. The simple design allows us to use high quality components to insure reliability. The heavy duty metal work holds the machine steady after the index for accurate registration. The Javelin is also supported by the strongest dealer network in the industry.

Good luck in your search. Let me know if I can help.

[Anatolhelp]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

[GraphicDisorder]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

You didn't answer his question.  You are not really that good at this PR thing.

[kingscreen]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

You didn't answer his question.  You are not really that good at this PR thing.

This is the exact behavior that made me write off SRoque from my list of potential presses when I upgrade in the coming months.  A sales rep's entire job should be answering the questions and addressing the concerns of any and all potential customers. This tit for tat competitor bashing and rebuttal mentality is really unappealing to someone like me, a potential customer.

It's pretty simple, just answer the questions you're being asked directly and as thoroughly as possible. Link a video or literature, when relevant. Customers want hard information, not personal opinions/commentary. That's my two cents.

[Gilligan]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

You didn't answer his question.  You are not really that good at this PR thing.

This is the exact behavior that made me write off SRoque from my list of potential presses when I upgrade in the coming months.  A sales rep's entire job should be answering the questions and addressing the concerns of any and all potential customers. This tit for tat competitor bashing and rebuttal mentality is really unappealing to someone like me, a potential customer.

It's pretty simple, just answer the questions you're being asked directly and as thoroughly as possible. Link a video or literature, when relevant. Customers want hard information, not personal opinions/commentary. That's my two cents.

For the record, sRoque has nothing to do with the discussion going on above.

BTW, Terry, you compared the Sabre to the Horizon, then when he asks about the Horizon, you talk about the Volt?

You guys get all pissy with me because I hold this guy's feet to the fire... but F*CK, someone has to!

[Frog]

You guys get all pissy with me because I hold this guy's feet to the fire... but F*CK, someone has to!

Not really, since you have absolutely no interest in Anatol, and you're unhappy with Terry, you could just ignore his posts or for that matter, any posts dealing with these machines.

You administer hotfeet because you want to, not because you have to.
Been there, done that, made a few shirts along the way.

And no, I don't get off on the back and forth snipes and swipes that seem to be the fate and forte of some reps on forums either. Popcorn with any butter and keyboards don't mix.

[GraphicDisorder]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

You didn't answer his question.  You are not really that good at this PR thing.

This is the exact behavior that made me write off SRoque from my list of potential presses when I upgrade in the coming months.  A sales rep's entire job should be answering the questions and addressing the concerns of any and all potential customers. This tit for tat competitor bashing and rebuttal mentality is really unappealing to someone like me, a potential customer.

It's pretty simple, just answer the questions you're being asked directly and as thoroughly as possible. Link a video or literature, when relevant. Customers want hard information, not personal opinions/commentary. That's my two cents.

For the record, sRoque has nothing to do with the discussion going on above.

BTW, Terry, you compared the Sabre to the Horizon, then when he asks about the Horizon, you talk about the Volt?

You guys get all pissy with me because I hold this guy's feet to the fire... but F*CK, someone has to!

FYI Sroque does a lot of bashing in other social media.  Like Instagram for example.

[Gilligan]

You guys get all pissy with me because I hold this guy's feet to the fire... but F*CK, someone has to!

Not really, since you have absolutely no interest in Anatol, and you're unhappy with Terry, you could just ignore his posts or for that matter, any posts dealing with these machines.

You administer hotfeet because you want to, not because you have to.
Been there, done that, made a few shirts along the way.

And no, I don't get off on the back and forth snipes and swipes that seem to be the fate and forte of some reps on forums either. Popcorn with any butter and keyboards don't mix.

I mean this in the most polite way.

Andy, you have no clue where I stand.

[Shanarchy]

The bottom line is that the Saber, even though a good press, is not much different from any Servo driven AC head press, like the Horizon.

The Sabre has a PLC machine control, individual print head controls and squeegee pressure regulators at each head. Did you add these features to the Horizon?

Did you make an all Electric press yet?  Last I heard you still need a compressor and a chiller on the Saber.

You didn't answer his question.  You are not really that good at this PR thing.

This is the exact behavior that made me write off SRoque from my list of potential presses when I upgrade in the coming months.  A sales rep's entire job should be answering the questions and addressing the concerns of any and all potential customers. This tit for tat competitor bashing and rebuttal mentality is really unappealing to someone like me, a potential customer.

It's pretty simple, just answer the questions you're being asked directly and as thoroughly as possible. Link a video or literature, when relevant. Customers want hard information, not personal opinions/commentary. That's my two cents.

For the record, sRoque has nothing to do with the discussion going on above.

BTW, Terry, you compared the Sabre to the Horizon, then when he asks about the Horizon, you talk about the Volt?

You guys get all pissy with me because I hold this guy's feet to the fire... but F*CK, someone has to!

Or you can let Paul/Baron handle himself. He's a big boy, and is knowledged with both Anatol and Workhorse. If two competitive reps want to debate each other, we don't need to all pick a side and pile on. In the end nothing positive will come out of it. And by we I mean all of us, not just you.

[Gilligan]

You just proved my point though Shane.

The one thing that I feel lacks in presidential debates is fact checking and keeping things on point.  I don't know when Paul will be back on, but I'm on now and I want to see the conversation sticking to acts and not spinning to what makes sense for that particulars party's interest.  I'd hold Paul (and have) to the same standard... And trust me, Paul and I are just fine these days.

Gotta keep em honest!

[1964GN]

Company representatives on public forums can be a bad thing for brands. They really need to take a step back before they hit the submit post button. Some of you guys may know them really well but most don't, and these kinds of exchanges can leave a bad taste in someones mouth on a brand that may not deserve it. Just sayin'