MHM, S-Roque or M&R?

[Shanarchy]

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Rich gave me a tour of the CHIIID in Vegas. It is a nice press. It has lots of things I liked. I like that you can do a double stroke and have the first stroke be at 50# of pressure and the second be at like 25 pounds. That would be nice for waterbase. It also can do a flood and then 2 print strokes since it can lift the flood bar and squeegee independently. It also has this flood step back thing. So every 10th or so flood it can go back lets say 2 inches farther so it can pick up any ink that may have got behind the flood bar. (no carding behind the flood bar) It has lots of good things going for it. All good stuff but for the price tag I am very happy with what I have.
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That is actually pretty impressive.

[alan802]

I'd love to be able to remove a tablet from the press and take it home or play a game during lunch, upload a new feature, etc.  I may be in the minority but I think tablet control and functionality is the best when it comes to operating an auto.  I have obviously never used it but I love my tablet and take it everywhere and use it for everything so having one to operate an auto seems like an amazing feature that would play a small role in me choosing a press.  There are dozens of more important features to consider before getting to the control panel being a tablet, membrane panel, touchscreen, or the old-school toggle switch but at this stage the ultimate in control and functionality would be a robust tablet.  Without the knowledge and experience that the machine gurus have, there is more that goes into it than I realize and cons of using a tablet that I'm not looking at but MHM has been at the forefront of putting technology on their autos and if they're using a tablet then I feel pretty good about it's place and future in running an auto. 

I like all of the touchscreen control panels over our membrane panel but I see what everyone is talking about when it comes to the "look" of some of them.  I have always liked the MHM but the Aries from Anatol looks nice (bordering on being too busy and cluttered but that's straight from someone who hasn't spent much time in front of one) and I like the cool clean look of the Sabre's.  If I had to choose out of the 4 with touchscreen control, M&R, Anatol, Sabre and MHM, I don't know which one I'd choose first.

The Gauntlet III will be at the DFW show. Go check it out.

I'll be there all day Friday...I hope.  If not I'll be there all day Saturday.  I'd like to be there both days so I can see what I missed last year.  I didn't have near enough time on the floor last year.

[Screened Gear]

I don't have a CHIII, I have its big brother the CHIIID but here are a few pics of the control screen if you like.  I dont have time to do a video right now but I could do one sorta soon.  Place is a nightmare right now.

Brandt when did you take those pictures of the screens?

[GraphicDisorder]

I don't have a CHIII, I have its big brother the CHIIID but here are a few pics of the control screen if you like.  I dont have time to do a video right now but I could do one sorta soon.  Place is a nightmare right now.

Brandt when did you take those pictures of the screens?

Like day 2 with the press, so months ago.

[244]

I'd love to be able to remove a tablet from the press and take it home or play a game during lunch, upload a new feature, etc.  I may be in the minority but I think tablet control and functionality is the best when it comes to operating an auto.  I have obviously never used it but I love my tablet and take it everywhere and use it for everything so having one to operate an auto seems like an amazing feature that would play a small role in me choosing a press.  There are dozens of more important features to consider before getting to the control panel being a tablet, membrane panel, touchscreen, or the old-school toggle switch but at this stage the ultimate in control and functionality would be a robust tablet.  Without the knowledge and experience that the machine gurus have, there is more that goes into it than I realize and cons of using a tablet that I'm not looking at but MHM has been at the forefront of putting technology on their autos and if they're using a tablet then I feel pretty good about it's place and future in running an auto. 

I like all of the touchscreen control panels over our membrane panel but I see what everyone is talking about when it comes to the "look" of some of them.  I have always liked the MHM but the Aries from Anatol looks nice (bordering on being too busy and cluttered but that's straight from someone who hasn't spent much time in front of one) and I like the cool clean look of the Sabre's.  If I had to choose out of the 4 with touchscreen control, M&R, Anatol, Sabre and MHM, I don't know which one I'd choose first.

The Gauntlet III will be at the DFW show. Go check it out.

I'll be there all day Friday...I hope.  If not I'll be there all day Saturday.  I'd like to be there both days so I can see what I missed last year.  I didn't have near enough time on the floor last year.

See Dave Zimmer. He will be explaining all the features in the HMI. I will miss this one.

[DannyGruninger]

Throwing my 2 cents out for what it's worth.... Personally I would never want a tablet or any "removable" control off my press bottom line. The last thing I want is my guys to be playing games or surfing the internet. I could just see my guys now checking out some nude websites and infecting the tablet with some sort of virus that messes with the machine functions. I like the interface look of the tablet but I've never really seen an industrial style tablet that I would trust in a screen print shop. Guys spraying glue, extreme heat, harmonic vibration of the press, etc etc etc are all reasons I personally wouldn't trust a tablet. I really like the idea behind it but I'm nowhere near sold on it yet. The one thing that I really wish I had was a live portal where I could watch what my presses were doing, could load jobs, etc.... I think workhorse really hit one out of the park with their portal gateway on the new saber press as that is one platform that I think would fit very well into a shop like mine. I know m&r is developing some new software/production tracking so that will probably be the bees knees once Rich throws it out to all of us so that will nice when we can get that going. But my opinion is there's so many things I can see going wrong with tablet or my guys taking advantage of it that until some steps to make it more industrial with certain locks I personally don't dig it.......

[Gilligan]

I really abuse my tablet.  So much so that I have to watch and curtail my behavior around our 4 year old because she has mimicked it.

That brings up another point, we have a 4 year old that has been carrying around the same tablet for 2 years now... still no cracks nothing... it's 100% hers and she brings it EVERYWHERE!

[jsheridan]

Throwing my 2 cents out for what it's worth.... Personally I would never want a tablet or any "removable" control off my press bottom line. The last thing I want is my guys to be playing games or surfing the internet. I could just see my guys now checking out some nude websites and infecting the tablet with some sort of virus that messes with the machine functions. I like the interface look of the tablet but I've never really seen an industrial style tablet that I would trust in a screen print shop. Guys spraying glue, extreme heat, harmonic vibration of the press, etc etc etc are all reasons I personally wouldn't trust a tablet. I really like the idea behind it but I'm nowhere near sold on it yet. The one thing that I really wish I had was a live portal where I could watch what my presses were doing, could load jobs, etc.... I think workhorse really hit one out of the park with their portal gateway on the new saber press as that is one platform that I think would fit very well into a shop like mine. I know m&r is developing some new software/production tracking so that will probably be the bees knees once Rich throws it out to all of us so that will nice when we can get that going. But my opinion is there's so many things I can see going wrong with tablet or my guys taking advantage of it that until some steps to make it more industrial with certain locks I personally don't dig it.......

I understand what you're saying, i'll take the tablet for myself and take off the cover that holds it in place, to reveal the normal mhm interface panel touch screen behind it.

 

[Screened Gear]

The cool thing about the tablets is you could easily have a back up. No big deal to switch them out. I think its a smart move as long as they give you access to the software to put on more than one tablet. At that point the possibilities are endless. Have one for each of the guys that run the press. They brake it they buy it. They use it for porn and they are fired. Im sure you can lock out anything you want to on it. Why not make it wireless. You could have one at the end of the dryer so they could stop the press if they see a pin hole. They could also have it so you could up load the job date. So one screen is the press the next is your job info. Colors, location etc. Have one in the managers office. So when he is in there all day he can a least say he was over seeing the presses. For the price to replace the main controller on these presses I like the option to just buy a $500-800 tablet.

[Prosperi-Tees]

Could this all become a digital workflow from beginning to end? Files sent to the screen rooms CTS and when they are ready have the job pop up on press with all the particulars of the job like colors, print positions, flashes needed, qty and colors of garments etc etc.?

[ZooCity]

Could this all become a digital workflow from beginning to end? Files sent to the screen rooms CTS and when they are ready have the job pop up on press with all the particulars of the job like colors, print positions, flashes needed, qty and colors of garments etc etc.?

Could be?  Good lord, it should be...or should've been long ago.  Press makers should be selling mgmt software that integrates with all their gear.  I should be able to input all spec into one location on my computer and know that ink is popping up in the ink queue in the mixing software/scale, location and print order at the press, laser location guide auto sets to it's location reference, flash temp/time/intensity auto setting to last used on that design or an inputted default or best guess, etc. 

And it's a win-win for everyone as the shop gets the software and the manufacturer has in built loyalty to their gear since it syncs to their system.  Better, there should be communications standards for our line of work so that all sorts of machinery, etc. can be synced. 

Every single shop in this country and the world is burning countless hours checking on everything from flash times/temps to "where do I locate this print again?".  If you think you aren't, I beg to differ and argue that simple connections of tech could be saving time in every shop.  Toss in a workforce that, shall we say, leaves a little to be desired and the need is magnified.  Our presses should be prompting our ops, our scales our ink techs and so on.

This is very basic use of long existing tech that I'm describing. I feel like our industry is behind, far behind, what our cousins in print have engineered in order to stay afloat.  We're getting a free ride at the moment in that digital textile can't quite beat screen in a number of situations but that ride will come to an abrupt halt at some point.

All that said, low tech, simple, sound and smart management can overcome a lot of this but I doubt any level of managerial intelligence will keep our industry alive when digital steps it's game up in the textile realm, we need to already be faster and better.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I think it will get there and it looks to me that M&R will be the one to do it as they have been on a serious advancement kick for awhile now and they just keep getting better and better. I for one am seriously inefficient in our shop and to find ways to improve on that.

[Gilligan]

Could this all become a digital workflow from beginning to end? Files sent to the screen rooms CTS and when they are ready have the job pop up on press with all the particulars of the job like colors, print positions, flashes needed, qty and colors of garments etc etc.?

Could be?  Good lord, it should be...or should've been long ago.  Press makers should be selling mgmt software that integrates with all their gear.  I should be able to input all spec into one location on my computer and know that ink is popping up in the ink queue in the mixing software/scale, location and print order at the press, laser location guide auto sets to it's location reference, flash temp/time/intensity auto setting to last used on that design or an inputted default or best guess, etc. 

And it's a win-win for everyone as the shop gets the software and the manufacturer has in built loyalty to their gear since it syncs to their system.  Better, there should be communications standards for our line of work so that all sorts of machinery, etc. can be synced. 

Every single shop in this country and the world is burning countless hours checking on everything from flash times/temps to "where do I locate this print again?".  If you think you aren't, I beg to differ and argue that simple connections of tech could be saving time in every shop.  Toss in a workforce that, shall we say, leaves a little to be desired and the need is magnified.  Our presses should be prompting our ops, our scales our ink techs and so on.

This is very basic use of long existing tech that I'm describing. I feel like our industry is behind, far behind, what our cousins in print have engineered in order to stay afloat.  We're getting a free ride at the moment in that digital textile can't quite beat screen in a number of situations but that ride will come to an abrupt halt at some point.

All that said, low tech, simple, sound and smart management can overcome a lot of this but I doubt any level of managerial intelligence will keep our industry alive when digital steps it's game up in the textile realm, we need to already be faster and better.

You mean the way Rich demands that his manufacturing plant runs?

[TCT]

What do you guys see wrong in this picture?

So what I see in this and was a issue for me when I asked them for a quote is, it is SO clean. NO lint anywhere! I understand it is because it is a promo video, but let's be real here shops get dirty and there IS lint. These stations are all ran independently, they pick up their power and communication signals from a track closer to the base. Now how much lint can they withstand before the signal is lost? Hirsch couldn't get me a solid answer on that, just that I would need to keep the machine fairly lint free.

I'm not trying to slam the press, it seems pretty amazing, when I thought we were going to get a oval I got a quote on one. Now this was a few months ago and at that point they didn't even have one operating in the field, so things and answers could of changed by now.


That CHIIID is pretty damn amazing with everything it can do. The graphics interface could use a bit of sprucing up(JON, that Oregon Trail crack was classic! ) It just seems like there is A LOT going on in every screen. Just a thought Rich, maybe have some if the info dropped to a sub menu? I'm sure it is not a big deal once you get use to it, but my initial reaction when you were showing us the screens in the tour is it made me nervous. So much crammed so close together. No offense intended, just my initial thought. If you guys would of had the CHIIID available when I was press shopping, it would of made my decision much harder!

[1964GN]

For the price of a 6 color oval you can get two very nice 8c presses or one very nice 10c. While it has some great features it's not a press we are looking at.

M&R has definitely add value with some of the new features they are adding... pretty cool stuff.

As far as control panels go... ANYTHING is better that the one on our DB (which is one of the earliest produced)

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