MHM, S-Roque or M&R?

[tonypep]

Nail on the head John. As stated above I put more energy into employees than arguing presses. Some of mine are over 20 ys old and they still rock as fast as ops can load. And heres whats probably going to make everyone nuts............I prefer presses with the minimal amount of features.

[screenprintguy]

It is sorta comical to see different folks get all in a tizzy when someone mentions the possibility of buying a tool that they don't agree with. Being a shop that is finally close to moving upward on machinery, watching these threads is fun. I can say the stress of making the right choice for one's business can be overwhelming at times, but at the end of the day someone choice really is, "their" choice and what is best suited for "their" shop. It's hilarious when guys start poking jabs at who's gear is better and cooler. Just remember, if you are someone who thinks they are doing a brand good by speaking up for them, don't be a puttz about it, because it can change someone's taste of being part of a circle, just sayin. I'm not calling anyone out. But there are a lot of, "off the forum" phone calls, text and emails made where people dsicuss what is posted and I hear it all the time, and have said it myself. Man who wants to be part of a clan that act like highschool kids comparing their shoes against each other. Like I said, it comes from every side, but try to make your points positive and mature. I'm sure this post will tick someone one off, but that just might be the ole conscience giving someone a nudge.    Like I said, everyone needs to make choices best suited for them, their staff, and their business. I have  yet to have a customer in 8 years say, he I'm only going to use you to print my shirts if you have such and such equipment. I choose what I have based on several strong points. The strongest for me has been the peace of mind that it will be reliable, run all day, and do what I need it to do.

[244]

Ok, while the interface ain't the sharpest, C3D wins hands down lol

How much MORE is a C3D than equivalent MHM or Sroque? Have we not talked $$ yet? We all know they're pricey, but really what's the difference in price?

It's not the most amazing looking screens for sure, but function is there and obviously thats the most important. 

Price, contact M&R on that, im not one to chuck around numbers.  It's a expensive press no doubt about it.  I can make the payment on it in less than a day of running and we are a "small" shop.

The HMI we use is an industrial component and is made to be reliable and safe throughout the life of the press. Way more expensive than the pads some manufacturers use but for good reasons. New graphics and features will be on the ones at the SGAI show and DFW ISS show.

Will our press get any of those new fancy graphics?

Yes

[244]

Ok, while the interface ain't the sharpest, C3D wins hands down lol

does it now..

Our Xtreme uses a Samsung Galaxy Tablet for the display panel. Can your control panel log into the internet and access your production schedule so you as a printer know what job you're running next without having to leave your 'station' so to speak..

no..

I didn't think so.

Actually it does and a whole lot more. Its not active on every press until the show.

[Screened Gear]

I don't have a CHIII, I have its big brother the CHIIID but here are a few pics of the control screen if you like.  I dont have time to do a video right now but I could do one sorta soon.  Place is a nightmare right now.

Did the guy that designed those screens also design Oregon Trail? 8 bit graphics rule...

They aren't amazing looking...  No doubt about it.   But I wouldn't trade this press for any other at this stage.

I'm just having fun. It really doesn't matter what they look like. As a former Graphics guy I have a hard time looking at them without making fun of them. If I paid over 100K+ for something I want every aspect of it to be at least modern looking. Can you imagine a 100K+ car coming out with that style instruments panel? You would have to question were else did they cut corners.

[blue moon]

I don't have a CHIII, I have its big brother the CHIIID but here are a few pics of the control screen if you like.  I dont have time to do a video right now but I could do one sorta soon.  Place is a nightmare right now.

Did the guy that designed those screens also design Oregon Trail? 8 bit graphics rule...

They aren't amazing looking...  No doubt about it.   But I wouldn't trade this press for any other at this stage.

as mentioned in the other thread, new UI is looking better and is a step in right direction. I would like to see white (light) numbers on very dark background for legibility and shading to make the buttons easier to distinguish. Closer we get to the analog look, the easier the panel is to use. Everything around us is analog and our brains are wired to process that info. While it might seem counter intuitive, digital actually requires an extra step to interpret. Big number 8 is harder to interpret than an image of the slider about two thirds up the scale.

pierre

[jsheridan]

Actually it does and a whole lot more. Its not active on every press until the show.

awesome.. but can you take it off the press, walk over to the break area with it and get back to that game of angry birds Rio you started this morning.

Being that it's a tablet, it runs all kinds of app's and what not so it's kinda neat.. but really un needed to print a t-shirt.

[blue moon]

Actually it does and a whole lot more. Its not active on every press until the show.

awesome.. but can you take it off the press, walk over to the break area with it and get back to that game of angry birds Rio you started this morning.

Being that it's a tablet, it runs all kinds of app's and what not so it's kinda neat.. but really un needed to print a t-shirt.

I would argue that the ops should not be taking the tablet to the press room as I am sure you were just kidding around. Reality is, the new system will allow you to monitor the press from the bathroom  on your phone if you were inclined to do so! The capability there is surpassing the MHM who used to be the leader in the UI. While the Sabre and MHM still look better (IMHO), M&R is bringing functionallity that is not yet available on the others (which are not necessarily that far behind, but are behind non the less).

pierre

[GraphicDisorder]

I don't have a CHIII, I have its big brother the CHIIID but here are a few pics of the control screen if you like.  I dont have time to do a video right now but I could do one sorta soon.  Place is a nightmare right now.

Did the guy that designed those screens also design Oregon Trail? 8 bit graphics rule...

They aren't amazing looking...  No doubt about it.   But I wouldn't trade this press for any other at this stage.

I'm just having fun. It really doesn't matter what they look like. As a former Graphics guy I have a hard time looking at them without making fun of them. If I paid over 100K+ for something I want every aspect of it to be at least modern looking. Can you imagine a 100K+ car coming out with that style instruments panel? You would have to question were else did they cut corners.

I don't question at all any corners cut on the CH3D, I doubt many people would.  If the UI not being highly graphical is the only bone one can pick with this press. Heck ill take it. 

I know this about tablets and I am on my 3rd or 4th now....  they get kinda slow and bogged down over time.  Some of that is due to software being more bloated as time goes on... but not all of it.  I would worry a bit about a tablet operating in heat all day long 10-12hrs a day 5-7 days a week.  Now that doesn't mean that there will be problems, but same as you worry about the basic looking ones, I would worry about the opposite end as well.  I mean even in my 2014 Vette, all digital full color awesome screens (2), you see glitches from time to time already in just 2000 miles on it.  Let's not pretend some of these automatic manufactures are testing screens as well as Chevy does either...

[GraphicDisorder]

 

[dirkdiggler]

Ok, while the interface ain't the sharpest, C3D wins hands down lol

How much MORE is a C3D than equivalent MHM or Sroque? Have we not talked $$ yet? We all know they're pricey, but really what's the difference in price?

It's not the most amazing looking screens for sure, but function is there and obviously thats the most important. 

Price, contact M&R on that, im not one to chuck around numbers.  It's a expensive press no doubt about it.  I can make the payment on it in less than a day of running and we are a "small" shop.

The HMI we use is an industrial component and is made to be reliable and safe throughout the life of the press. Way more expensive than the pads some manufacturers use but for good reasons. New graphics and features will be on the ones at the SGAI show and DFW ISS show.

Will our press get any of those new fancy graphics?

Yes

Awesome, I guess that means me too!

[Frog]

Let's not pretend some of these automatic manufactures are testing screens as well as Chevy does either...

Testing screens maybe, testing ignition switches that pose a threat to life and limb, apparently a different story.
GM is hardly the poster child for quality control and care for its customers

[dirkdiggler]

ACTUALLY, YES IT CAN!  That feature is locked, but the control panel on my CH3D CAN BE USED LIKE A COMPUTER AND WILL ACCESS THE INTERNET!

Nice!

Is that locked by you or..

So here we are, page 6..

It now seems that each of these machines all do the same thing.. they print t-shirts at an absurd rate!

does it really matter what brand you use or what color pom poms you cheer with when all we're really doing is printing a t-shirt.. all this fuss for what?..

Agreed!

[Printficient]

Just heard that an MHM iQ oval will be at Vegas this year.  This thing to quote a Vegas personality (The Count from Counting Cars) is SICK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt8Sg4JV2c

[Frog]

Just heard that an MHM iQ oval will be at Vegas this year.  This thing to quote a Vegas personality (The Count from Counting Cars) is SICK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt8Sg4JV2c

Perhaps they'll have it all better for the show!

How's that for acting my age? LOL!