Press Pricing

[Parker 1]

We run 6-7 color jobs weekly on an 8 color press with one flash.  All with one revolution running 42-60 doz./hr.

Chris

[Prosperi-Tees]

So Terry are you saying your 8 color press could possibly print all 8 colors in one rotation. Im having a hard time picturing that. Maybe 7 colors cause you have to account for the flash station but then you don't have a cool down spot unless you can print wet on wet the rest of the way. But I think again we are back to an 8 color press somewhat comfortably printing a 6 color image in one rotation. Or am I thinking wrong?

[Gilligan]

Not in my opinion...The step back program doesn't have to go all around the press.  Just step back one station and flash.   Saves lots of time.

My personal experience is in most cases a revolver type program is faster than the step back with a full load.  In most, but not all.  In either case, I didn't think the time savings was extreme.

I had a lengthy discussion with Paul back when he was with Anatol.  I was more in favor for the Revolver mode over step back but there are certainly times when step back can be more beneficial.  I think revolver wins in the long run.

[Gilligan]

So Terry are you saying your 8 color press could possibly print all 8 colors in one rotation. Im having a hard time picturing that. Maybe 7 colors cause you have to account for the flash station but then you don't have a cool down spot unless you can print wet on wet the rest of the way. But I think again we are back to an 8 color press somewhat comfortably printing a 6 color image in one rotation. Or am I thinking wrong?

PM Gerry.

[blue moon]

huh?
they are actually the same if I am thinking right. The number of moves (going back or forth) is the same. The only difference is the direction of the moves. Am I missing something?

pierre

[Screened Gear]

huh?
they are actually the same if I am thinking right. The number of moves (going back or forth) is the same. The only difference is the direction of the moves. Am I missing something?

pierre

Not the same. The step back is only flashing when a multirotation is printing and flashing at the same time. The multirotation 2 times faster. You are right the same amount of moves but the multirotation is doing 2 moves at a time.

[Binkspot]

Step back is slower in other ways. If you are running step back there is longer delay in loading and unloading the garments while the machine cycles. It may bring your production speed down to 250-300 pph. If you can do a revolver mode the second time around the operator and puller could be stacking at the end of the dryer basically eliminating the person at the end of the dryer. You may still only be getting 250-300 pph but more is getting done.

I also believe it's hard on the indexer itself, the constant left/right action especially on an air index.

[Prosperi-Tees]

Step back is slower in other ways. If you are running step back there is longer delay in loading and unloading the garments while the machine cycles. It may bring your production speed down to 250-300 pph. If you can do a revolver mode the second time around the operator and puller could be stacking at the end of the dryer basically eliminating the person at the end of the dryer. You may still only be getting 250-300 pph but more is getting done.

I also believe it's hard on the indexer itself, the constant left/right action especially on an air index.

On Anatols website, forgot exactly what page it is on but it said all their presses are now servo index standard.

[GaryG]

Jon and Brian, thanks~
I was racking my brain trying to think how which method
would be more advantageous. Glad we chose the Revolving world.

[TCT]

Back to the flashback, I actually have one from before anatol got in trouble for making them. It has it's place, it is real nice if you have a smaller count press and you are a newbie on autos. You get time to learn the ropes of running a auto. We used it all the time the first year or so we had the press. We rarely use it anymore, if we use a flash on that press we just roll the Hix flash we used for our manual in the head. Works just fine! That being said my use of it now is a bit skewed, the press that uses the knockoff flashback we don't/can't print over 2 colors, so we really don't have a huge use for it. One time we will use it is on a say 50pc. job red on black t's, we just don't burn a underbase and p/f/p. Running with the flashback option I want to say the press can run at like 21dz./hr slower if it is a long print, faster if it is a left crest.

One thing about the flashback, we have started 5 fires with it! First time it happened, we were printing shirts for fire education program for grade schools, the print read "Do your part, be fire smart." That was pretty funny!!! If the garment gets too close to the quarts bulbs or touches them they light up. Pockets suck, I would NEVER do polos with it, and fleece is dicey at times.

Space taken out of the equation, if I had the choice between a flashback or a traditional flash with a extra head, I would go with the extra head.

[Gilligan]

Step back also limits you on what gets flashed doesn't it?

Revolver lets you run around after head 4 and then flash then again after head 5 or whatever.

Brandt, what say you, you are revolver king right?

[TCT]

On a traditional(M&R) "revolver" function are you able to have it automatically print different heads on the second revolution, or does it have to be the same heads? There were times we would just let the anatol run around a second time and manually turn heads on and off, but you got to be on your game there! No talking to the press operator! Kinda like when we used to print a bunch of numbers, there was the "lonely" policy, that printer was to stay lonely, do not talk to them or interrupt them!

On or S.Roque we can program different print heads, number of strokes, flashes or sequence for up to 9 revolutions. While that sounds neat, the feature goes mostly unused. But if we do need to use it, the printer doesn't need to be "lonely"

[gtmfg]

Yeah you can print/ stroke what you like per revolution as long as you don't turn your brain off and pull the first shirt per revolution. Man can tell you how many times that has happened!

[prozyan]

Yep, M&R revolver program is fully programmable.  Can change which heads print as well as the number of print strokes.   We often have smaller jobs where we set head 1 to double stroke white, flash, revolve around to head 1, hit the white again with a single stroke, then print whatever colors we have left.

[Binkspot]

Sounds crazy but with the revolver on smaller jobs if you set it up a job lets say 5 colors and it doesn't print nice you can program it to print in a different sequence instead of moving screens. Let's say you find instead of printing the way it's set 1,F,3,4,5,6 it prints better 1,F, 4,6 then F, 3,5 just program it to run that way.

And yes it does suck pulling a shirt of before it's finished.