Author Topic: Starlight 3140 7/14  (Read 6109 times)

Offline DCSP John

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 340
Starlight 3140 7/14
« on: July 14, 2014, 05:09:11 PM »
Hey Everyone..

Its been said here a few times, but if you don't already have a Starlight, I would recommend calling
your local  M&R dealer and ordering one ASAP.
We ran successful exposures today (pure photopolymer) with excellent detail at 5, 10 and 15 seconds.
We are still scratching our heads in awe, especially after being so used to metal halide and all the associated
wait times. Wow. 10 seconds for screen production. Who would'a thunk it.

John @ DCSP



Offline Colin

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1610
  • Ink and Chemical Product Manager
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 05:26:28 PM »
Any discharge screens yet?
Been in the industry since 1996.  5+ years with QCM Inks.  Been a part of shops of all sizes and abilities both as a printer and as an Artist/separator.  I am now the Ink and Chemical Product Manager at Ryonet.

Offline DannyGruninger

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1220
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 05:46:22 PM »
We ran 2000 + pcs of discharge last week using a screen made with our STE LED....... Zero signs of screen breakdown though, I know it's not a huge run but from what I can tell there's no reason the m&r led technology cannot expose discharge screens for 20,000+ pcs runs..... We are getting superior results with our led then we had from out MH unit. I would suggest people run to their m&r dealer for an i image ste, LOL...... You don't realize what your missing until your using one.
Danny Gruninger
Denver Print House / Lakewood Colorado
https://www.instagram.com/denverprinthouse

Offline Colin

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1610
  • Ink and Chemical Product Manager
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 06:33:16 PM »
2k pieces is nothing to sneeze at :)

What were your mesh and press specs?  Single/double stroke etc?

I am just looking for anyone who can actually give me hard repeatable numbers for discharge runs.

Thanks!
Been in the industry since 1996.  5+ years with QCM Inks.  Been a part of shops of all sizes and abilities both as a printer and as an Artist/separator.  I am now the Ink and Chemical Product Manager at Ryonet.

Offline DannyGruninger

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1220
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 07:38:08 PM »
Colin, we printed through a 150 s mesh static frame using double stroke @ 38 psi w/ a 65/90/65 blade..... WR-14 emulsion

The screen showed zero signs of breakdown after the 4k strokes it saw......Everything that I've been able to test my led exposure does a better job on then our mh did.


Danny Gruninger
Denver Print House / Lakewood Colorado
https://www.instagram.com/denverprinthouse

Offline Homer

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3205
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 09:30:55 PM »
it's hard to get in the mindset that 5 seconds does the job, with a MH you are used to way longer times.  we run wb/dc with our screens all the time and no issues at all, we even catalog a few designs and they have been rerun about 6x and nothing. PP with diazo...we love our starlight, i just have to go kick brads ass and grab his DTS and I'm all set.
...keep doing what you're doing, you'll only get what you've got...

Offline Jwcontractscreen

  • !!!
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 110
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 11:14:42 PM »
With a 180 s and 160 s coated 2&1 with Ulano orange burned for 6.5 seconds, I finished about 12k prints today. The screens have been around now for three weeks. I print about 4k of a design every Monday for a customer. It is fully taped on the back and only the squeegee edges are just starting to wear through the emulsion. The stencil is still in perfect shape. It is a 2 color job with tons of butt registration. The design edges have not begun to break down.    In am contemplating trying the screens next week and see if they make it to 16k. 

I have also sprayed the Nazdar spray solvent on the shirt side a few times to remove ink buildup.


I recommend a starlight to everyone. Anyone that wants to come to Northern Kentucky can see one first hand. The time saved has given me my evenings back as I typically burn 20 screens an evening so they are dry and ready for tomorrow's production.

For the discharge, Ulano orange breaks down within 30 prints with the starlight.  I could get 75 or so with my last exposure unit. Not really sure what's up there, but with a good waterproof emulsion, I have done 300 with no signs of wear.
Contract screen printing in Northern Kentucky
www.jwcontractscreen.com

Offline Colin

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1610
  • Ink and Chemical Product Manager
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 10:47:03 AM »
Danny,  that is the info I wanted to hear!  Thanks for that! 

What was the exposure time for the WR-14?  I am assuming no more than 2 minutes since it is dual cure?  Did you apply any hardener?
Been in the industry since 1996.  5+ years with QCM Inks.  Been a part of shops of all sizes and abilities both as a printer and as an Artist/separator.  I am now the Ink and Chemical Product Manager at Ryonet.

Offline 244

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1368
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 11:11:28 AM »
Danny,  that is the info I wanted to hear!  Thanks for that! 

What was the exposure time for the WR-14?  I am assuming no more than 2 minutes since it is dual cure?  Did you apply any hardener?
Just a bit of clarification. The I- image ste is for Photopolymer emulsions and is very fast. If you use the I-image ste for diazo or diazo blends it will work but very slow cure. The I-image STE II is for photopolymer and diazo curing as it has two exposure units. The second unit is a full plate of LED's just like in the Starlight. The Starlight will cuse photopolymer's typically in 5-6 seconds and Diazo's in 25-30 seconds. Hope that clarifies it for all. Also the cure is as good or better than Mercury vapor so no issue with discharge or water applications.
Rich Hoffman

Offline 3Deep

  • !!!
  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 5325
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 11:43:09 AM »
Rich, since your starlights are leading the charge right now in LED what makes your exposure unit better than the rest besides being a stand up company and name?  I like the the LED and wish it been around before I got my bigger box a few years back.

darryl
Life is like Kool-Aid, gotta add sugar/hardwork to make it sweet!!

Offline alan802

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3535
  • I like to screen print
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 11:51:42 AM »
For the discharge, Ulano orange breaks down within 30 prints with the starlight.  I could get 75 or so with my last exposure unit. Not really sure what's up there, but with a good waterproof emulsion, I have done 300 with no signs of wear.

That's a lot different than everything else I've read on DC screens from LED units so I wonder what's going on there.  Has anyone gotten decent DC screens out of Ulano Orange with any expo unit?  I personally dislike the orange but I know a few guys who like it but I wouldn't think it would perform all that well with DC ink to begin with.  Did you try to overexpose the screen or just cook it for the usual time?
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it -T.J.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it -T.P.

Offline jvanick

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2477
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 12:02:38 PM »
Rich, since your starlights are leading the charge right now in LED what makes your exposure unit better than the rest besides being a stand up company and name?  I like the the LED and wish it been around before I got my bigger box a few years back.

darryl

For our shop, it's the speed of the exposure, AND the fact that the LED panel is warrantied for life.   From what I've seen/read, none of the other vendors have the same warranty or the equivalent exposure speeds.

Offline Colin

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1610
  • Ink and Chemical Product Manager
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 12:32:45 PM »
Rich:

Are there plans for a Nuarc 3140 retrofit? 
Been in the industry since 1996.  5+ years with QCM Inks.  Been a part of shops of all sizes and abilities both as a printer and as an Artist/separator.  I am now the Ink and Chemical Product Manager at Ryonet.

Offline 244

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1368
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 02:10:20 PM »
Rich, since your starlights are leading the charge right now in LED what makes your exposure unit better than the rest besides being a stand up company and name?  I like the the LED and wish it been around before I got my bigger box a few years back.

darryl
We use way more L.E.D's in our unit than anyone else and as such we are very uniform,very fast,quietest and fastest vacuum, money-back guarantee, lifetime warranty on the lights, highest quality electronics, and patented vacuum release to speed up release besides highest quality build. I would assume the Starlight will also have the highest resale value as well. There is also a kit that can be purchased to convert to CTS exposure eliminating the glass and vacuum whe you grow into a computer to screen. This can go on such as service,etc. but that is more than enough!
Rich Hoffman

Offline dirkdiggler

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1803
Re: Starlight 3140 7/14
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 03:17:59 PM »
Rich:

Are there plans for a Nuarc 3140 retrofit?

The answer is NO, and there will not be one later.
If he gets up, we'll all get up, IT'LL BE ANARCHY!-John Bender