Anatol volt

[alan802]

I do not know which Anatol owners  you have spoke with but keep this in mind and I am not putting anyone down but. How long have they had the press, is it their first, how long have they had or been using autos, model, etc. Point being if it's the only auto that they have ever owned or operated or new at it how can they form an opinion on what's good or not. Find someone who has a Volt and best option would be to go and run it for a day.

Take a guy who has only rode a horse and give him a car that you have to jump start every day, has no AC, and no power steering... He's beyond himself happy because he isn't riding that horse for hundreds of miles a day, can cover more ground and isn't saddle sore.

How many of us would pay $15k for that car vs one of the other $15k cars on the market that has all these basic features?  Obviously once you have creature comforts you have a hard time ever thinking about living without them.  I'd never buy a car with no AC down here in the south!

That is an important aspect of customer satisfaction that can work for or against a manufacturer.  When I was starting my research for autos in the beginning I didn't take into account some of the favorable reviews that some machines were getting that the owner was coming from a junk manual press and not to sound too critical, their opinion of how great the press was carried very little weight in the grand scheme of things versus someone who had ran multiple brands and types of automatics.  I used to get a kick out of some of the posts regarding "which automatic to buy" when some of the guys who were very outspoken on how great their press was had never even seen another brand or model of auto than what was in their own shop.  It's good that they're happy, I don't want to take away that point, but like Gilligan said, it has to be put in proper perspective sometimes and considering the source of the happiness just as much as what it is they're saying is paramount.

[3Deep]

Where did I say Anatol was first to market? also Brown is still in business so someone is using there press.

[Shanarchy]

I like the direction of this thread. It's not bashing anyone, but providing Anatol with some great feedback from printers in the market to how they can make some slight upgrades to their product and really meet printers needs.

The long term results could be a win for the manufacturer and a win for the end user.

[3Deep]

I do not know which Anatol owners  you have spoke with but keep this in mind and I am not putting anyone down but. How long have they had the press, is it their first, how long have they had or been using autos, model, etc. Point being if it's the only auto that they have ever owned or operated or new at it how can they form an opinion on what's good or not. Find someone who has a Volt and best option would be to go and run it for a day.

Take a guy who has only rode a horse and give him a car that you have to jump start every day, has no AC, and no power steering... He's beyond himself happy because he isn't riding that horse for hundreds of miles a day, can cover more ground and isn't saddle sore.

How many of us would pay $15k for that car vs one of the other $15k cars on the market that has all these basic features?  Obviously once you have creature comforts you have a hard time ever thinking about living without them.  I'd never buy a car with no AC down here in the south!

That is an important aspect of customer satisfaction that can work for or against a manufacturer.  When I was starting my research for autos in the beginning I didn't take into account some of the favorable reviews that some machines were getting that the owner was coming from a junk manual press and not to sound too critical, their opinion of how great the press was carried very little weight in the grand scheme of things versus someone who had ran multiple brands and types of automatics.  I used to get a kick out of some of the posts regarding "which automatic to buy" when some of the guys who were very outspoken on how great their press was had never even seen another brand or model of auto than what was in their own shop.  It's good that they're happy, I don't want to take away that point, but like Gilligan said, it has to be put in proper perspective sometimes and considering the source of the happiness just as much as what it is they're saying is paramount.

Alan, I disagreed with you on this one, If I'm press shopping and I go to your shop and ask you about the RPM I'd expect for you to tell me everything you like and dislike about your press, I wouldn't expect for you to know about all the other brands unless you've been around forever and have use them all. 

[Binkspot]

I think the point is being missed. If you have been running a 4/1 silver press and you move up to a old Tuf Javelin that uses guide blocks instead of wheels it would be an improvement. As far as that person knows it's the best thing out there. It leaks air, pallets are a pain to change, thing kicks back if air pressure drops below a certain point or what ever it's still in this persons eyes the greatest thing in the world. On the other hand if a someone has been pulling a squeegee for 10 years and moves into a new auto again it's an improvement but I would still not ask his opinion on the press until he had run it for a year or so. That would give him time to get to know the press and all it's ins and outs good and bad. Then when asked about the machine the response would be I should have got this feature or this is a PIA or should have done this or that or for this type of work it's great etc.

[3Deep]

I think the point is being missed. If you have been running a 4/1 silver press and you move up to a old Tuf Javelin that uses guide blocks instead of wheels it would be an improvement. As far as that person knows it's the best thing out there. It leaks air, pallets are a pain to change, thing kicks back if air pressure drops below a certain point or what ever it's still in this persons eyes the greatest thing in the world. On the other hand if a someone has been pulling a squeegee for 10 years and moves into a new auto again it's an improvement but I would still not ask his opinion on the press until he had run it for a year or so. That would give him time to get to know the press and all it's ins and outs good and bad. Then when asked about the machine the response would be I should have got this feature or this is a PIA or should have done this or that or for this type of work it's great etc.

I agreed with this, once you've run your press a fair amount of time.

[inkman996]

In due time no matter what is said here the Volt will make it's mark in the printing world or sink like a ship...some companies are bold and try new things (first to the market) while others sit back and watch then take action, but time will tell.

Some companies wait for others to invent innovative things then use their manufacturing might to out do and out sell all others.

[inkman996]

I would hope Anatol sees all this as constructive criticism. A press that you have to manually lock the screens is a huge turn off to nearly every existing automatic printer. That would be fine if they are only targeting the manual to auto market. Anatol needs to listen and consider what all of us existing auto printers have to say.

[alan802]

I do not know which Anatol owners  you have spoke with but keep this in mind and I am not putting anyone down but. How long have they had the press, is it their first, how long have they had or been using autos, model, etc. Point being if it's the only auto that they have ever owned or operated or new at it how can they form an opinion on what's good or not. Find someone who has a Volt and best option would be to go and run it for a day.

Take a guy who has only rode a horse and give him a car that you have to jump start every day, has no AC, and no power steering... He's beyond himself happy because he isn't riding that horse for hundreds of miles a day, can cover more ground and isn't saddle sore.

How many of us would pay $15k for that car vs one of the other $15k cars on the market that has all these basic features?  Obviously once you have creature comforts you have a hard time ever thinking about living without them.  I'd never buy a car with no AC down here in the south!

That is an important aspect of customer satisfaction that can work for or against a manufacturer.  When I was starting my research for autos in the beginning I didn't take into account some of the favorable reviews that some machines were getting that the owner was coming from a junk manual press and not to sound too critical, their opinion of how great the press was carried very little weight in the grand scheme of things versus someone who had ran multiple brands and types of automatics.  I used to get a kick out of some of the posts regarding "which automatic to buy" when some of the guys who were very outspoken on how great their press was had never even seen another brand or model of auto than what was in their own shop.  It's good that they're happy, I don't want to take away that point, but like Gilligan said, it has to be put in proper perspective sometimes and considering the source of the happiness just as much as what it is they're saying is paramount.

Alan, I disagreed with you on this one, If I'm press shopping and I go to your shop and ask you about the RPM I'd expect for you to tell me everything you like and dislike about your press, I wouldn't expect for you to know about all the other brands unless you've been around forever and have use them all. 

I understand what you're saying, but that's different context to what I was trying to say ( I didn't do a good job of that).  It's a buying process where you have to narrow down your search to the best choice for your shop.  Back in the day there were always these threads about which auto to buy and every thread would have comments from guys who would not say anything at all based on features but generic terms like they really love their press and they KNOW they made the right decision for their shop.  Yet they have never seen another auto at a show or shop, they spoke to a salesperson a few times and didn't do much due diligence and literally bought the first press they could.  In my mind, taking any advice from someone like that about which auto to buy would be dumb.  Now if the guy actually said something like how he likes that his press has central off contact but his press only has 2 settings and you had to use a wrench to change the settings then his information on how great his press' off contact feature is, is bad info.  You can't keep people from giving their 2 cents on things they know nothing about but you better do your own research and know when to tell if info is worth keeping or not.  I know it's not the problem it used to be, not even close but I do remember getting a good laugh out of some of the comments I read on "which auto to buy" threads back on sp.net.  I know most people were genuinely trying to help and I shouldn't be critical but I'm just trying to make a point that everything needs perspective and proper context when considering such a huge purchase.  I would hope that nobody would consider my opinion of the new Corvette as being completely awesome when I've never even sat in one.  Bad analogy but oh well.

[Gilligan]

Where did I say Anatol was first to market? also Brown is still in business so someone is using there press.

Well, Darryl, you did kind of say "some manufactures take charge and create new products while others just sit back and wait to see what's going on."  That kind of implies that Anatol is the innovator by copying what Brown did over 10 years ago.

Nothing but love man!

[Anatolhelp]

It has been a great thread, I appreciate all your feedback.   
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[cory.haynes.54]

I really appreciate all this guys, m&r reps contacted me because of this thread and now they have also made me an offer on a diamond back w/ a rotary screw 5 hp as part of the package. Any thoughts on the diamondback c 8/6?

[Homer]

I really appreciate all this guys, m&r reps contacted me because of this thread and now they have also made me an offer on a diamond back w/ a rotary screw 5 hp as part of the package. Any thoughts on the diamondback c 8/6?

simple suggestion - I would start a new thread on a DB..you'll get some great input.

[cory.haynes.54]

DB?

[cory.haynes.54]

Nvm im dumb