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Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 07:31:27 PM »
Guys I am really hoping someone has a idea or can help me! This job we ran is having the orange come out!!!
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Gildan 5000 Dark Heather
Left Crest
Rutland discharge white plus
CCI D-Flo neon orange, 5% activator
In the pics below you can see what I am dealing with. The orange is washing out. The white is just fine. The ink is cured, we run discharge ink through the dryer 1 time. The pic below I put through the dryer 3 times!
My main question is, does anyone have ANY idea of something I could do to salvage these?
I am out $2k(cost) if I have to re buy and re print them. I will do that if that is the only option, but I was hoping someone had a salvage idea. Anything? What if I tried rolling Fixer over it or something!? I know that is extreme, but I am at a total loss for new ideas here.
Question #2, what the hell happened here do you guys think?!
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 07:41:05 PM »
Is the dark Heather 50/50?
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June 23, 2014, 07:47:18 PM »
Yes it is a 50/50. I don't have an answer but I think you are gonna have to reprint and steer them away from the dark heather or go plastisol on it. I did some 50/50s with discharge that looked great coming out of the dryer but I told the contract customer that I am not responsible for color loss after washing if they chose to stick with 50/50s
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June 23, 2014, 07:47:30 PM »
Yes
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 07:51:59 PM »
is the orange printed over the white?
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 07:53:41 PM »
Quote from: ericheartsu on June 23, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
is the orange printed over the white?
No, straight activated D-Flo Orange
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June 23, 2014, 08:25:53 PM »
50/50 should not have washed out that much. You said it went though your dryer 3 times and still washed out that much? To me it looks like under cured.
My only other guess is too much agent or the ink is bad.
Take that same orange and run a test on black 100%. If it does the something then its not the 50/50 and maybe bad ink.
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June 23, 2014, 08:29:40 PM »
We are ruining a test with the orange tomorrow. To see if it is the ink. Yes, 3 times through the dryer on the one in the bad pic. The white doesn't seem to be affected.
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 08:31:23 PM »
The white in the pic does look like it washed out some too. Did you modify the orange at all?
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 08:37:59 PM »
With flouros, sericols anyway, we do 2-3% activator. Don't know if that will make a difference in your case.
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June 23, 2014, 09:05:48 PM »
The orange wasn't modified in any way. Right out of the bucket+activator.
The white is still good, I'll take a pic of the back tomorrow and post it.
Thanks so far for all the input! Hoping someone will have some kind magic trick that may fix this.
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 09:11:06 PM »
I don't think it's fixable unfortunately. Whats the inside of the shirt look like?
I guess undercured or not enough penetration.
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 09:50:27 PM »
Looks like undercure to me also, check your dryer and make sure every panel or what ever you have is heating all the thru your tunnel...JMO but I think your having some kind of curing problem. I would take one of those printed shirts and print with plastisol ink also run back thru and wash test, you might fine some t-shirts treated with some funky chemicals. We've had shirts before we printed at the same time same ink and when washed the ink came off and others didn't good luck my friend losing money ain't nothing none us like to do.
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 10:18:59 PM »
Thanks Darryl, I'll try some plastisol on one of them tomorrow. I originally thought under cured also, but we checked the dryer with our temp gun AND one of those temp strip deals and all checked out fine.
I think the thing that gets me is that they printed fine, nothing out of the ordinary. The white and orange both printed "muted" and then at the other side of the dryer 10x brighter, just like a normal discharge job. I have seen some colors lose vibrancy and whatnot, but this is a but more than a vibrancy issue!
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Re: Need ideas how to fix this...
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June 23, 2014, 10:36:03 PM »
Did you add any penetrant to the ink?
It looks like it has partially washed off? What does it look like when you loop it?
Is it potentially falling off the poly content?
I ask because it LOOKS like it has properly adhered to some of the threads.....
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