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Offline Shanarchy

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let's talk film
« on: June 02, 2014, 01:15:02 PM »
What's everyone using for film these days?

I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?

It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.

What are you using and why?


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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 01:22:43 PM »
What's everyone using for film these days?

I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?

It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.

What are you using and why?

try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2014, 01:33:27 PM »
I'm using a wp film from inkjetfilm.com had problem with one box, but nothing else since, price is pretty good too.

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 01:53:23 PM »
We used Fixxons for a long time, but lately, I've been buying Ulano WP from Garston Sign (we negotiated a good price). I know you're somewhat in my geographical neighborhood, so get in touch with Paul Geswell there...

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 01:56:26 PM »
We used Fixxons for a long time, but lately, I've been buying Ulano WP from Garston Sign (we negotiated a good price). I know you're somewhat in my geographical neighborhood, so get in touch with Paul Geswell there...

Steve

Ulano film tested pretty good too! (At least the stuff I checked).

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 02:42:47 PM »
we've been using Fixxons films for a couple of years! Works great!
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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 03:11:09 PM »
What's everyone using for film these days?

I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?

It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.

What are you using and why?

Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.

pierre

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 03:52:03 PM »
What's everyone using for film these days?

I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?

It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.

What are you using and why?

Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.

pierre

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 03:53:23 PM »
what's the difference in quality of films?

I understand the difference between the 4mill and the 5mill stuff, especially on printers that need the extra 'thickness' to grab and not stretch the film.

but otherwise... is there a difference in dot resolution?  I know that the Fixxons that use when viewed under 200x microscope, you can see the 'spray' of the inkjet dots... but I just assumed that was part of the nature of the beast.

something else I'm missing?

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 04:05:24 PM »
what's the difference in quality of films?

I understand the difference between the 4mill and the 5mill stuff, especially on printers that need the extra 'thickness' to grab and not stretch the film.

but otherwise... is there a difference in dot resolution?  I know that the Fixxons that use when viewed under 200x microscope, you can see the 'spray' of the inkjet dots... but I just assumed that was part of the nature of the beast.

something else I'm missing?

as with anything else, it is easy to reach certain level, but improvements beyond it are expensive. Think this way, you can spend 20% to get 80% of the way, but you will pay 80% to get the last 20% of improvement. he closer you are to the perfection, more expensive it is to improve.

with that in mind, most any film will work fine and FIXXONS seemed OK. I printed a couple of pieces and did not see any glaring problems with it (but did not run any tests).

Better film will give you better gain control among other things. The WP layer that absorbs the ink will cause it to wick and spread out. This will also, in some cases, degrade the shape of the dot. Better film will hold the dot the size it's supposed to be rather than spreading out. I have also seen film wick and bleed over time after it's sat on the shelf for a few weeks. Trying to reproduce those halftones later is asking for trouble and you could spend time on the press trying to figure out what some dot's are now too big or they suddenly show up! Actually, the ghosting was over a point wide, which would turn your but registration into overprinting!

For any decent film the difference is pretty negligible. I doubt that the difference between my high end film and the cheaper stuff is visible in the print, but. . . at what point do you start accepting acceptable and start stacking the problems on top of each other (compounding them)???

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 04:22:24 PM »
What's everyone using for film these days?

I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?

It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.

What are you using and why?

Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.

pierre

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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 04:33:30 PM »
inkjetfilm.net $60 free shipping
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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 04:58:27 PM »
Glad I don't have to buy that crap anymore!!!! I-Image babeeee  ;D  Sorry had to do it
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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 05:17:30 PM »
inkjetfilm.net  here as well.
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Re: let's talk film
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2014, 06:04:23 PM »
me too
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