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CCI D-Flo
« on: May 29, 2014, 07:48:21 PM »
We are going to try out the CCI fluorescent discharge inks this weekend.  How much activator would I need to add to those inks o get a really good eye popping result? Will be testing the D-Flo blue, yellow and hot pink. Going onto Gildan tees.


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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
We are going to try out the CCI fluorescent discharge inks this weekend.  How much activator would I need to add to those inks o get a really good eye popping result? Will be testing the D-Flo blue, yellow and hot pink. Going onto Gildan tees.

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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 10:13:37 PM »
2.5 to 3.5 here!
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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2014, 02:04:10 AM »
Rockers with those inks you should be able to try out some awesome C-M-Y  discharge-process!   I think it would be great to try out that color-wheel sometime with the flo-blue, yellow, and pink, over a discharge base/white.   I've been doing amazing flo-ink plastisol blends going back almost 8 years now, had a client in Long Island that always wanted the full-color blend rainbow style using common blends like  Base white, Flo-Blue and Yellow (makes an awesome transition to bright greens when halftones are 45-degrees offset) -- flo yellow and pink (makes great oranges/reds) and flo-blue to pink makes great purples.   Not sure if it can actually produce the over-print true-reds and true-blues, but it comes really close.     Are you trying to use those to mix that 361 green?   Could result in a really bright green if you mix the blue and yellow first I think it should work, then add the activator.     

E-mail me, and one of these times we will do a color-wheel test print using some of those discharge... discharge process is one thing, but using the flo-inks will give a much brighter and wider gamut and being somewhat waterbased they should overprint/blend well... but I'm not too sure does the discharge of one ink affect the one below it if they overprint each other 100%?   Will the top ink actually discharge the pigment from the bottom ink or only any remaining fabric dyes?

Attached is a plastisol fluorescent-ink print on black shirts and 1 white base...   I think its regular lemon yellow, but the client always used fluorescent blue and brandywine pink or a fluorescent pink.   I cut my teeth on design and separations with this client because of the full-color crazy-art demands and the fewest screens possible printing demands.   I really want to test out some flo-ink blends discharge might even work without base but you would still need white for white parts of an image...  but the cool part is the really soft-hand,  the attached image is the plastisol capabilities of yellow, flo-blue, and pink blending over a white base... but this still ends up with a plastisol feel.....   it would be great to see if the overprints can create the red and royal-blue, but even so you can see with this attachment that you can still get great orange, purple, and greens with the blend of those fluorescents.

E-mail me when you have something to sep out this way or also if I get some funds together for a test I will pay for a color-wheel print, I know its not really feasible to just run experiments or samples when you have jobs going on and everything including time costs us in the end.    Hopefully from the attachment you can see that it should translate to discharge and still be able to get nice halftone blending between your colors.    Flo-blue and yellow make awesome bright greens and same with the other combinations... but with the plastisols they are too opaque to really get good 100% overprinted Reds and royal-blues... might be different with the discharge characteristics?     Do you already have some discharge CMYK process inks or have you done any blending?   How did that one for GodFlesh Apocalypse turn out?    I was worried it did not come out well I didn't hear back from you on that one, with the base, yellow, green, red...    Anyway e-mail me if you want to try out some fun stuff with those fluorescent discharge inks.   Peace!
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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2014, 06:09:00 AM »
Rockers with those inks you should be able to try out some awesome C-M-Y  discharge-process!   I think it would be great to try out that color-wheel sometime with the flo-blue, yellow, and pink, over a discharge base/white.   I've been doing amazing flo-ink plastisol blends going back almost 8 years now, had a client in Long Island that always wanted the full-color blend rainbow style using common blends like  Base white, Flo-Blue and Yellow (makes an awesome transition to bright greens when halftones are 45-degrees offset) -- flo yellow and pink (makes great oranges/reds) and flo-blue to pink makes great purples.   Not sure if it can actually produce the over-print true-reds and true-blues, but it comes really close.     Are you trying to use those to mix that 361 green?   Could result in a really bright green if you mix the blue and yellow first I think it should work, then add the activator.     

E-mail me, and one of these times we will do a color-wheel test print using some of those discharge... discharge process is one thing, but using the flo-inks will give a much brighter and wider gamut and being somewhat waterbased they should overprint/blend well... but I'm not too sure does the discharge of one ink affect the one below it if they overprint each other 100%?   Will the top ink actually discharge the pigment from the bottom ink or only any remaining fabric dyes?

Attached is a plastisol fluorescent-ink print on black shirts and 1 white base...   I think its regular lemon yellow, but the client always used fluorescent blue and brandywine pink or a fluorescent pink.   I cut my teeth on design and separations with this client because of the full-color crazy-art demands and the fewest screens possible printing demands.   I really want to test out some flo-ink blends discharge might even work without base but you would still need white for white parts of an image...  but the cool part is the really soft-hand,  the attached image is the plastisol capabilities of yellow, flo-blue, and pink blending over a white base... but this still ends up with a plastisol feel.....   it would be great to see if the overprints can create the red and royal-blue, but even so you can see with this attachment that you can still get great orange, purple, and greens with the blend of those fluorescents.

E-mail me when you have something to sep out this way or also if I get some funds together for a test I will pay for a color-wheel print, I know its not really feasible to just run experiments or samples when you have jobs going on and everything including time costs us in the end.    Hopefully from the attachment you can see that it should translate to discharge and still be able to get nice halftone blending between your colors.    Flo-blue and yellow make awesome bright greens and same with the other combinations... but with the plastisols they are too opaque to really get good 100% overprinted Reds and royal-blues... might be different with the discharge characteristics?     Do you already have some discharge CMYK process inks or have you done any blending?   How did that one for GodFlesh Apocalypse turn out?    I was worried it did not come out well I didn't hear back from you on that one, with the base, yellow, green, red...    Anyway e-mail me if you want to try out some fun stuff with those fluorescent discharge inks.   Peace!
FlashGod came out great. I never report back I know, just to busy. your seps are always spot on so no worries if you don`t hear back. If you have a cool artwork I can try out for those 3 fluoro then email it over tonight so I can set it up tomorrow for my sales rep. We generally do the samples for them as they don`t trust the other print shops here.

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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2014, 06:15:30 AM »
Bad picture as far as color correction but heres 3 CCI flos over printed. There is no orange, green, purple etc

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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 08:13:28 AM »
Tultex's new tri-blend tank with D-Flo and D-White.

We do 3-4%.
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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 08:46:14 AM »
Scott: do you have a pic of any of those after washing?  Those colors look great.

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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 10:25:12 PM »
I don't. These went to TSC sales reps. Our rep washed hers half a dozen times and it looked exactly the same as it did coming off the belt.
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Re: CCI D-Flo
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2014, 12:22:55 AM »
Bad picture as far as color correction but heres 3 CCI flos over printed. There is no orange, green, purple etc

Awesome example...   Do you know what sequence those were in?     Are those also the discharge, any base?

Looks like for the 3-color overprint of all three inks, it is still creating sort of a light-green-muted?       In process inks or some plastisols you can mix all 3 to come close to a black, and the overprints create the red/blue/green... but it appears maybe the CCI flo (discharge?) create more of the lighter blends you see even overprinted -- more like bright orange/gold, purple, and green... with all 3 mixing to a greenish-muted tone?      Great sample thanks for posting, it's good to know ahead of time the attainable gamut of a set of inks ink blend or overprint before trying to use full-color blending if there are reds/blues etc.     But over a faded halftone discharge base you could possibly get some photo-realistic shading effects and blending with white by itself some highlights, it is just the typical CMY overprinted reds and blues that are hard to attain with fluorescent inks.    Cool test!
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