Virus Waterbase

[noortrd]

discharge started by italy but end by magna .

[tonypep]

Actually, allthough we all have our preferences, the bases and activators are so similar we can switch them out with no difference in performance and no shift in color formulation. The weaker pigments are less expensive but require more volume, the stronger more expensive however more concentrated.
So Rutand, Matsui, CCI, Magna, etc all work fairly close to equally well. I've used them all. Some have a dizzying amount of additives. Water is all we use. And the blue shade Rutland is out performing all others after side by side scientifc testing

[ebscreen]

Tony have you noticed any difference in pigment drying between the concentrated and non-concentrated pigments?
All we've ever used is Rutland...

[Sbrem]

Discharge technology started in Italy. Some may remember Manoukian

on Belton shirts as I remember...

Steve

[ZooCity]

I've noticed that the less concentrated CCI has zero pig drying issues, except for the CMS white which should be called "Pigment Chunk Additive" use up to 10% to ruin your day and your print run. 

We still have not dug into the Rutland WB sample pig set that R.C. sent out to us, looking forward to that.  We've only run a single gallon of Rutland wb ink mixed with their more concentrated pigs and there was a yellow chunk issue on that run.  Not really bad but it was there and that's bad enough.

We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases.  One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.

It's nice to see so many options nowadays. 

[TCT]

except for the CMS white which should be called "Pigment Chunk Additive"

 

Oh that IS the truth!!!

[59Graphix]

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We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases.  One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.

It's nice to see so many options nowadays.
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Since ZooCity mentioned "Flat finish", does most water base print with a flat finish or is does it depend on screen mesh and additives like plastisol? (Sorry, kind of off topic)

[mimosatexas]

We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases.  One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.

It's nice to see so many options nowadays.

I would love this. The matsui 301 and dc work fine for us, but the pigments are sticky/dry easily and it simply isnt ideal for paper which we print a lot of...

Anyone have a suggestion?

[Prof_Yaffel]

Got a update today, sounds like a deal with a Virus dealer in the Midwest is closer to happening! There is also talk of another dealer bringing in Minerva, another ink company out of Italy....

http://www.achitexminerva.com/en

Minerva also make the Green Galaxy ink that Ryonet are selling

[TCT]

We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases.  One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.

It's nice to see so many options nowadays.

I would love this. The matsui 301 and dc work fine for us, but the pigments are sticky/dry easily and it simply isnt ideal for paper which we print a lot of...

Anyone have a suggestion?

I don't know about paper, but for T's the CCI has way out performed the Matsui we used to use.

[pwalsh]

Nope, I am no longer at QCM.  Is this Aslam? (forgive me if I am misspelling your name)

When Rutland purchased them I was laid off and not hired by Rutland.  Actually, Rutland only hired one person from QCM, and that was an upfront lady who interfaced with our distributors when they called in.  She was only with Rutland for about a year.

Why did I leave out Magna?  I actually was not aware that they offered a high solids line of inks. 

There is sooooo much I want to learn now!

Colin:  Thanks for all of the high value information that you post and support that you provide on TSB. It's great to have someone with your application experience and Technical Background on the boards.  If you do want to learn more about the Magna High Solids Water-base inks I'd recommend that you reach out to Rob Coleman Nazdar SourceOne Market Segment Manager at rcoleman@nazdar.com.  I've attached a copy of a print that was produced using the Magna HS WB inks this week in Mexico City, MX.  I know that I'm biased but IMHO, the MagnaColours inks are the "real-deal" and a represent an excellent PVC free ink alternative.

[TCT]

Is Magna based out of Europe as well? I could of swore they were.

[noortrd]

Magna discharge is better but other products crap. Matsui water based products are better than magna.

[pwalsh]

Is Magna based out of Europe as well? I could of swore they were.

MagnaColours is a UK based company located in Barnsley, Central England close to Sheffield, and Manchester.  They have distribution in all major markets and are represented by Nazdar SourceOne in the United States, Mexico, and Central America. The attached image is another print that was produced this week in Mexico with Magna AB AW discharge inks.
 

[Colin]

Nope, I am no longer at QCM.  Is this Aslam? (forgive me if I am misspelling your name)

When Rutland purchased them I was laid off and not hired by Rutland.  Actually, Rutland only hired one person from QCM, and that was an upfront lady who interfaced with our distributors when they called in.  She was only with Rutland for about a year.

Why did I leave out Magna?  I actually was not aware that they offered a high solids line of inks. 

There is sooooo much I want to learn now!

Colin:  Thanks for all of the high value information that you post and support that you provide on TSB. It's great to have someone with your application experience and Technical Background on the boards.  If you do want to learn more about the Magna High Solids Water-base inks I'd recommend that you reach out to Rob Coleman Nazdar SourceOne Market Segment Manager at rcoleman@nazdar.com.  I've attached a copy of a print that was produced using the Magna HS WB inks this week in Mexico City, MX.  I know that I'm biased but IMHO, the MagnaColours inks are the "real-deal" and a represent an excellent PVC free ink alternative.

Thank you for the kind words Peter!

I have chatted with Rob a bit since my last post and I have received some excellent information on the Magna inks.  Our next step is getting in some samples to play with.  The single downside to pursuing Magna right now is the 2-3 day shipping from L.A. to the Portland area.  I still really want to give it a solid shot, but the shipping costs and time delay will be a difficult sell to the owner.  The inks will have to clearly be better and friendlier than everything else we try.